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Randor 13-Jul-22 5:41

Randor

13-Jul-22 5:41

I'm interpreting this as "Send all complaints to /dev/null". Laugh | :laugh:

Richard MacCutchan13-Jul-22 6:04

Richard MacCutchan

13-Jul-22 6:04

When you saw that the account was in a Spam list, you could have added a comment in the thread to challenge it.

Randor 13-Jul-22 6:20

Randor

13-Jul-22 6:20

Well,

This why I said we are all friends and should rely on each other. Two members reached out into that thread in an attempt to intervene. But no moderators responded.

Richard MacCutchan13-Jul-22 6:24

Richard MacCutchan

13-Jul-22 6:24

It's easy to call a moderator's attention to a forum message with the @name construct.

Randor 13-Jul-22 6:36

Randor

13-Jul-22 6:36

Yeah,

That was also done[^] by Nelek to intervene. Unfortunately there was no response.

0x01AA13-Jul-22 7:53

0x01AA

13-Jul-22 7:53

So it is!

Nelek13-Jul-22 21:40

13-Jul-22 21:40

I think I have reported the account while going through some of the "Still alives" because I forgot about your and Bruno's comments the first time.

I could track the reportings down to the first Still alive spammers 1/2[^] when he was included.

And found the first reported[^]
and the third one[^]

but could not find the message in which he was originally reported.

The "Still alive" is an automated list generated by some code created by OG. Its biggest fault is, that to avoid such a situation, the link to the "to be checked" user has to be deleted in its previous appearances.

The only thing I can do right now is to ask you, that the next time you summon me too and I will delete the links to give more time to the staff to dig in the situation. I should have done it this time when I summoned Sean, I didn't expect the message to go unnoticed.

M.D.V.

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Randor 15-Jul-22 2:19

Randor

15-Jul-22 2:19

Thank you Nelek,

That was very useful feedback. I can see how the mistake was made.

I didn't want to air all this out in public. The discrete method of dropping hints wasn't working. And to make matters worse all the posts by those two members were deleted. So I think only a few of us know what this thread is about.

I appreciate your support.

Nelek15-Jul-22 10:24

15-Jul-22 10:24

Randor wrote:
Thank you Nelek,

You are welcome.

Randor wrote:
That was very useful feedback.

Glad if it helped.

Randor wrote:
So I think only a few of us know what this thread is about.

To be honest... I think I didn't read the original messages, but I do remembered your (and Bruno's) hints when I saw this thread.

M.D.V.

modified 15-Jul-22 16:41pm.

Randor 15-Jul-22 15:43

Randor

15-Jul-22 15:43

Nelek wrote:
I think I didn't read the original messages, but I do remembered your (and Bruno's) hints

Thanks for being honest in this discussion.

How common is it for the moderations team to vote members off the site without actually seeing the transgression? What criteria did you use when you made your decision? And would it have helped if you could see those posts?

Richard MacCutchan15-Jul-22 21:35

Richard MacCutchan

15-Jul-22 21:35

Randor wrote:
How common is it for the moderations team to vote members off the site without actually seeing the transgression?

As with many questions: it depends. Most reports are accepted because a) we trust the reporting member, and b) the only information is in the spam message that gets removed by the reporter. For spammers whose messages get through the system we have the opportunity to review the content, and accept the report or query it with the reporting member - which does happen. So, yes, the system is not perfect but it's better than having CodeProject flooded with garbage, especially on days when there is a bot attack.

Nelek16-Jul-22 8:22

16-Jul-22 8:22

As Richard said, I trust the criteria of many reporters. I still check myself when I have the opportunity.
I do trust too, that in case of wrong reporting the OP will edit the message to remove the link, so that a false positive doesn't gets in the "Still alive" list. And if I see that there is one I get it out of the list and search the previous places to remove the links and ask CP staff for a wipe of the reports.

I do question reports when I can check and I am not sure about it. I tell others to remove links or I do it myself when it is not clear enough. I do summon Sean or Chris when there are doubts to get an "official" statement. I have reported several bugs / done several suggestions to improve the process.

But there are times when errors still happen. I have wrongly reported a couple of users along the time myself and when someone told me / the situation was clarified, I apologized publicly in the forum and to the concrete user.

Randor wrote:
What criteria did you use when you made your decision?

It was in the still alive list. I did summon Sean in one moment of this case just trusting your criteria same as I do trust the criteria of most people reporting. Dumb was that I have lately been less online than ususal and as I said, I didn't think the summoning would end unattended.

Randor wrote:
And would it have helped if you could see those posts?

definitively. And I would have acted in consequence either defending the user or the report, depending on what I would have read.

M.D.V.

0x01AA16-Jul-22 8:40

0x01AA

16-Jul-22 8:40

Nelek, it was _never_ your mistake!
Bruno

Nelek16-Jul-22 9:44

Duplicated comment on article

16-Jul-22 9:44

I didn't take it as an accusation.

He asked, I answered.

M.D.V.

Greg Utas8-Jul-22 15:12

Greg Utas

8-Jul-22 15:12

This post[^] was somehow duplicated. Note that its two instances bracket a slightly more recent post.

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Peter_in_27808-Jul-22 15:35

Peter_in_2780

8-Jul-22 15:35

I told you not to poke around in the time machine!
But seriously, I think it was two posts of the same content. The subject lines are subtly different - projects vs systems

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Greg Utas8-Jul-22 15:37

Greg Utas

8-Jul-22 15:37

I missed that. But there's still the question of both having the same time and bracketing the later one.

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Sean Ewington9-Jul-22 1:55

Sean Ewington

9-Jul-22 1:55

I wonder if this is a case where they got caught in the spam filter, and submitted the exact same comment twice, AND got approved twice. I removed the duplicate.

Thanks,
Sean Ewington
CodeProject