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Well how far down the rabbithole do you want to go? 
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as far as the turtles go [^]
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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There is no way somebody made something self-aware using linear bounded automata.
He's dreaming.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Hi, HTC,
A question: how do you tell when a person is faking awareness/sentience ?
Once upon a time (1977) bill was doing a post-grad fellowship at the NIMH's famous mental hospital, St. Elizabeth's.
In a staff meeting where a patient was being evaluated in terms of danger to the community if released ... one staff member said with conviction: "he's acting sanr to fool us."
Constraints on my health and time (how dare my body get old !) have meant rationing my CP time, no longer soaking up the latest/greatest really innovative probes of space-time boundaries by folks like you, and Marc Clifton. To savor the technical excellence of OriginalGriff, Richard McCutchen, Richard Deeming.
No longer time for the daily struggle to teach newbies to learn what the docs would tell them ... if they looked, if they knew how to look.
Well. as Heraclitus said: "panta rhei"
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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Hey, I was wondering where you were off to.
To answer your question I can't tell.
But that's not why I take the position I do.
The "transistors" in our brain are why I do.
The Human Brain Can Create Structures in Up to 11 Dimensions[^]
Our current discreet digital logic circuits are fundamentally limited to Linear Bounded Automata. The way our RAM works is too ... perspicuous almost? And the way it works is so different. Our brains learn math in a similar way as we learn to catch a ball. Our computers do not.
We don't have the capability using our current transistor setup to mimic an organic neural network. I personally don't think we'll achieve it on silicon either, but that's just me spitballing. It's not just a matter of efficiency either, but the way our memory works.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Appreciate your interesting response !
imho, Von Neumann architecture has the limits you describe.
I am curious if radically different future architectures are possible ... quantum, optical, analog, wetware-biocomputing: "living neurons" interfaced with hardware, etc.
I hope new breakthroughs occur in the next 8~10 years ... after which, i don't think bill's whatever will be around to be surprised 
cheers. Bill
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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If I was forced to bet, it would be biocomputing or something that closely mimics it somehow that gets us to "artificial" self awareness first.
I use the quotes for a reason, because I question what constitutes artificial at that point. I think maybe you of all people here can appreciate that from a moral or ethical standpoint at the very least.
But then that's a whole mess to contend with. Especially when you consider the fact that an organic machine will probably get tired, need rest, maybe even get bored. At what point are we abusing it?
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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honey the codewitch wrote: Our brains learn math in a similar way as we learn to catch a ball.
That's a fascinating analogy, but, one i question if applied broadly.
Some people are born with almost god-like innate talents for math, music, etc. For them, the savants, the geniuses, even some aspgbergerians (?), i think the analogy holds.
But, for most folks, i see no comparison of learning math and other higher-level cognitive skills with homo saps' remarkable innate perceptual and motor-coordination skills.
Language acquisition and visual pattern recognition are other built-in achievements of the millenia of evolution that resulted in a brain that consumes 15% of the oxygen we use, a brain whose value was so great that the "price"of frequent death in childbirth was "paid" by countless generations.
cheers, Bill
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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BillWoodruff wrote: That's a fascinating analogy, but, one i question if applied broadly.
It's a necessarily kind of broad statement, and it's based on some material I've read on the subject at one point. I'd have to dig it up.
Also I think you might be extending the analogy beyond how I intended it. I'm talking about how our brains learn, nothing more. We learn through exposure and repetition of a practice. Our brain has "muscle memory".
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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I wanted to break this out separately because I felt it deserved separate consideration.
I was concerned about you. I know you're no spring chicken as they say, and I'm glad you're still around even if it is less often these days.
Getting old sucks, but I suppose it beats the alternative? I'm nowhere near as far along in my journey as you are, but I'm well past my warranty and things are starting to go.
I hope you're doing well, all things considered. 
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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The capability, unveiled at Amazon's Re:Mars conference in Las Vegas, is in development and would allow the virtual assistant to mimic the voice of a specific person based on a less than a minute of provided recording. "They're heEere"
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I guess they felt the good ol' fashioned seance needed a tech facelift.
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Reminds me of The Exorcist!
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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There should be a required question to ask before adding any new feature:
"Is there a Black Mirror episode[^] that did this already?"
If the answer is yes, don't add it. 
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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Prasad added that the feature "enables lasting personal relationships."
By definition a personal relationship with deepfakezombiegramma is impossible.
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Are we sure Prasad is an actual human being and not Skynet's avatar?
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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Is it OK for GitHub to use free software source code to train its proprietary, paid and commercial service? "Nobody ever wins a lawsuit but the lawyers"
When in doubt: sue. It's the American Way(tm) 
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I wondering if Amazon's CodeWhisperer should be renamed to DeepAIThroat?
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
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Quote: Posted on June 30, 2021
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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My heart breaks. 
TTFN - Kent
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Meta Platforms CEO Mark Zuckerberg told CNBC’s Jim Cramer on Wednesday that the metaverse could be a considerable part of the social network operator’s business in the second half of the decade. And I envision a billion people clicking all the links I find for you all
And dancing in the streets
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At least I won't be one of them... and hopefully neither my kids.
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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And neither will I. What an a**hole!
The most expensive tool is a cheap tool. Gareth Branwyn
JaxCoder.com
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Microsoft is readying its campaign to notify Windows 8.1 users about the January 10, 2023, end-of-support date for the product. The Vista is not endless
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And the Windows 10 is the last windows ever...  
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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