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Memtha15-Feb-22 14:59

Memtha

15-Feb-22 14:59

Teams interview? As in, install teams on a device that I own? Blasphemy!

glennPattonWork316-Feb-22 0:31

glennPattonWork3

16-Feb-22 0:31

Teams or (HELP!) Zoom, thats whats secure(?)

Memtha16-Feb-22 3:32

Memtha

16-Feb-22 3:32

How about an actual phone call? My number is on my resume' and doesn't require either of us to install anything. If they insist on seeing my face I'd grill them on why, and see it as a warning of micro-management.

glennPattonWork316-Feb-22 4:07

glennPattonWork3

16-Feb-22 4:07

Oh but that would violate GDPR (or some other rule), the 'agents' format the CV to meet company standard which mean, email, phone, postal address all come off meaning the company can't contact you without them. As above at times the 'agent' (for want of a better more offensice name) OMG | :OMG:

rewrote my CV to fit the job, giving mr 15 years experince in a field that was at most 2 years old. In the post-pandemic where 'all roles are remote' you will be lucky to be able to see them face to face.

Memtha16-Feb-22 6:17

Memtha

16-Feb-22 6:17

Well if they can't contact you by email they can't really arrange a teams meeting either. In this case they obviously had some contact (presumably email) in order to agree to a time the teams meeting should happen, even though the email with the link never showed up.

Seriously though, applying for a job constitutes permission to be contacted regarding that application, equally regardless of the method of contact (within reason). If they somehow loose your phone number then they can ask for it via email the same way they asked OP to install teams.

My present job I got (with no agency involved) in the middle of the pandemic, and all my interviews were exclusively over the phone. The only time I did a video call was during onboarding where HR wanted to match my drivers license photo to my face.

My previous job (pre pandemic) only had one in-person interview. To this day I have no idea if they messed with my resume. The phone interviews in that process involved me and the potential employer both calling into the agency switchboard with a meeting code that was delivered by email. On the contrary, using phone instead of teams lets the agency invoke greater control, wherease if you use teams, you could record each others' teams ids and then go around the agency.

I stand by not supporting a video call, unless maybe I was desperate.

The beauty of standards

den2k8813-Feb-22 22:28

den2k88

13-Feb-22 22:28

Is that everyone has their own.

But why the elephanting fark does the ISO commitee sell their standards split in a dozen parts at outrageous prices each? Gonna make my own standard with blackjack and high level escorts.

GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

OriginalGriff13-Feb-22 22:50

13-Feb-22 22:50

It's probably not a good idea to split up high level escorts - I think they call that murder ...

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HobbyProggy13-Feb-22 22:53

HobbyProggy

13-Feb-22 22:53

But it would make sharing fair more easy... "Here's your leg by the way" Suspicious | :suss:

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OriginalGriff13-Feb-22 23:07

13-Feb-22 23:07

That tells me far more about your private life than I wanted to know ... Unsure | :~

Daniel Pfeffer14-Feb-22 0:02

Daniel Pfeffer

14-Feb-22 0:02

I can just see the personals ad, with the asterisk:

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HobbyProggy13-Feb-22 22:55

HobbyProggy

13-Feb-22 22:55

Because if someone knows how to make money it's germans standardising and selling what they came up with as standard.

Secondly it's a standard to split standards into tiny bits for better standard understanding.

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den2k8813-Feb-22 23:01

den2k88

13-Feb-22 23:01

HobbyProggy wrote:
Secondly it's a standard to split standards into tiny bits for better standard understanding.

And then selling the pieces separately so that just for 8 pages of introduction you need to cough up 65€.

Ahrrrr.

GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

HobbyProggy13-Feb-22 23:02

HobbyProggy

13-Feb-22 23:02

$Shucks | :-\$ *Kaching*

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jsc4214-Feb-22 0:30

jsc42

14-Feb-22 0:30

My first thought was xkcd: Standards[^] but Peter_in_2780 had jumped into his time machine and already posted it 8 hours before this post was started. See The Lounge[^] in 'Calling any IoT hackers out there' below.

trønderen14-Feb-22 12:16

trønderen

14-Feb-22 12:16

(Disclaimer: Based on the forum you select for your post, I guess that you by 'ISO' mean computer related standards, networking in particular. I realize that you may be talking about all kinds of ISO standards, in any field.)

In Europe during the 1980s' protocol wars, the battle between the OSI stack and the internet IP stack was really very close. So close that my guess is that if the OSI standards documents had been freely available to anyone, and free to implement - the way the RFCs defining the internet protocols were - the OSI stack would probably have won the war. But colleges and Universities didn't have the funds to pay for those extremely costly OSI documents. For a student to obtain his own copy to use in his project work was completely out of the question.

The universities and colleges produced network guys that were convinced that the only possible way to implement a protocol was the IP based way. They had heard of the seven layers, but only as a useless description that didn't match real networks at all, not really useful for anything.

I never met a single network guy claiming that internet protocols are better engineered or designed than the OSI family. Internet won, primarily on one single "quality": Availability. You could get hold of 'specs' (some of the old ones were horrible!), you could get hold of source code implementations. You may call that a "quality", but it certainly is not a technical quality. More like a marketing quality. A sales point. And the customers went for the sales hype rather than technical design and engineering quality.

Even today, forty years later, I find that pityful.

When refactoring attacks =(

den2k8814-Feb-22 20:28

den2k88

14-Feb-22 20:28

trønderen wrote:
And the customers went for ~~the sales hype~~ what actually existed rather than ~~technical design and engineering quality~~ what was promised but still up in the air.

Also, after seeing how the committees are massacring my boy C++, retroactively root for anything that's not ISO.

Sadly the LIN protocol became ISO so nobody now has access to the actual specifications without paying a lot. I just hope my transceiver takes care of the gritty lowest levels.

GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

honey the codewitch13-Feb-22 21:51

honey the codewitch

13-Feb-22 21:51

I recently separated the hardware bus communication code from my video driver code. I thought I was slick.

Then I ran into the RA8875. I had forgotten that during the initialization phase, it must run at 1/20th of the speed of normal over an SPI bus.

I already don't care for this chip. It's odd how it works, relatively slow unless you forward all the shape drawing and font drawing to the onboard functions that do it, relying on its "hardware acceleration" which shouldn't even be necessary but it only operates at 20MHz.

No other devices require a slowdown during the initialization phase.

So now I'm wondering about this. I really don't want to add that one-off to my API, but it looks like I'll have to.

If I had never factored the bus into a separate interface this wouldn't be an issue. Sigh | :sigh:

Real programmers use butterflies

Re: When refactoring attacks =(

lmoelleb13-Feb-22 22:07

lmoelleb

13-Feb-22 22:07

Oh yes, the joys of abstraction. Just write spaghetti code, then nothing is an exception because everything is an exception. Blush | :O

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Re: When refactoring attacks =(

honey the codewitch13-Feb-22 22:08

honey the codewitch

13-Feb-22 22:08

It's getting close to that. The bus API is kind of a mess, but a mess with a purpose, so I can't really do much about that - part of it is just the nature of driver comms.

I'd feel better about abstracting this if it wasn't sausage making.

Real programmers use butterflies

WSO CCC OTD 2022-02-14

OriginalGriff13-Feb-22 21:26

Re: WSO CCC OTD 2022-02-14

13-Feb-22 21:26

Monarchs airborne goat? (11)

pkfox13-Feb-22 21:56

pkfox

13-Feb-22 21:56

Nice one

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Re: WSO CCC OTD 2022-02-14

OriginalGriff13-Feb-22 22:08