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Now, if you had said his sole had been embedded in the machine, I would have thought it a bit fishy, but probably would have accepted it. 
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I use smarterasp.net webhosting and yesterday my sites became unavailable.
I checked the main site and discovered it wasn't even available. 
After a long while it seemed to come back.
But then today the main site is all strange and my sites still were not working properly.
I sent them a message and they replied that they were being DDoSed. Oy!!!
So, i'm seriously considering switching to another webhosting company (probably winhost.com).
Do Webhosts have an effective way to avoid DDoS attacks?
Is this just considered normal business on the Internet?
Is there just no way to escape this if bad actors decide to attack?
Any network engineers who can explain this better? thanks
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raddevus wrote: Is there just no way to escape this if bad actors decide to attack?
Not really. Your website is a sitting target (if your legitimate clients can find you, so can the black hats). A black hat with enough motivation could assemble a DDoS botnet large enough to bring down almost any site.
Assuming that your site is hosted on a commercial server, there is nothing that you can do in mitigation. There are techniques that can be used by the web hosts, but whether they are used depends on the size of their operation, the availability guarantee (e.g. 3 nines or 99.9% is approx. 8.75 hours of downtime a year), etc. Basically, you pays your money and you takes your choice.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I've been with WinHost for a few years now and haven't had any problems with them.
The less you need, the more you have.
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut...occasionally.
JaxCoder.com
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Good to know. I will most likely move.
I had moved to smarterasp.net about 7 years ago (moved from godaddy for similar reasons).
I guess I just keep hopping (and hoping). 
Thanks,
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The problem is there was at one time, don't know whether they're still around a company that bought up successful sites and ruined them. I was with a company a long time and this company bought them oput and within 2 months it turned to shi..I bailed!
The less you need, the more you have.
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut...occasionally.
JaxCoder.com
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I wouldn't call a move every seven years "hopping." 
Anyway, unless your sites are extremely critical and you can move them before the attack is over, consider waiting a day or two. If the attack was random, just for the lulz, what are the chance they'll hit this site again? You wouldn't want to move and then it's your new hosts turn to get DDoSed two weeks later! 
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Not much you can do about this. We've seen DDoS attacks take down huge numbers of web-sites over the past few years. DDoS is the easiest attack to perform but one of the hardest to defend against as it's all about volume on the attacker's side and redundancy on the victim's side.
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obermd wrote: it's all about volume on the attacker's side and redundancy on the victim's side
^ This.
If you have to stay online - you pretty much have to ignore the mom and pop shops--they will go down. Attacks have been measured in Tbps for quite a while now.
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If they wanna bomb you out of the net they do, renting botnets is cheap as f and your server / hoster / provider can't basically do anything against it.
Rules for the FOSW ![ ^]
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If you're really desperate to minimise downtime but can't run to ultra-robust providers, then you can mitigate the issue by hosting a backup site on another hosting provider. Keep your DNS nameservers on a 3rd service (preferably with alternative nameservers hosted in different locations). If/when your primary site goes down you can update your nameservers to point to your alternative host. This only works if you can define the nameservers with a short TTL (Time to Live) otherwise the DNS change takes longer to propagate than the DDoS attack (or other outage) lasts. You need to be on the ball and trigger the DNS change as soon as you spot the outage, so you'll need some monitoring software (hosted somewhere else again) to notify you of any issues. And of course you'll need to keep both sites up-to-date, and if there's a database involved either do regular or real-time syncs, or host it somewhere else again (preferably with a backup host for that too).
All in all it's a lot of faff and effort, you might get your site up and running a couple of hours before the attack ends (you might not), and you'll be paying double what you need to for your hosting - for maybe 6 hours' of extra uptime a year. Your choice!
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And of course it will only partially work because some of your users will have providers who ignore your short TTL values and cache for much longer anyway Because Reasons(tm).
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
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Those of you that don't already think I'm off probably haven't heard one of my early morning rants about random, broad topics.
Like the nature of humankind:
For those of you that believe (acknowledge?) we as a species are headed for unusually spectacular disaster, maybe after nature downsizes "right sizes" us we'll learn from our mistakes. I doubt it though, if only because I don't believe in free will. I think we're as much animals as our primate ancestors. Our behavior is just more complex, but no less "scripted" (for want of a better term). So in the end, we repeat ancient patterns with new window dressing, and get up to the same mistakes over and over again.
Then again, I think this isn't a bug. It's a feature. We're slaves to the complex adaptive systems we are entangled with, and our navigation of that requires those mistakes in order for us to maintain adaptivity. Even a mass die off, should it happen would be as necessary as it was inevitable. We do what we have to to survive, even if that means war, and exploiting people in our own back yard or on the other side of the planet. Even if it means we become victims of our own unsustainable success.
I think to change that means to fundamentally - and I mean fundamentally as profoundly as it can be expressed - change who we are and the way we operate. We need to change the very wiring in our walls - rewrite our neurons, and escape the meat cages we are in. I firmly believe that it's the meat that ultimately holds us back. Meat ties us to the earth, and forces us to live within its confines, subject to its cruel systems in order to receive its blessings. I don't think we'll move past animal stage until we redefine what it means to be human in the first place.
I'm not wedded to this view, it just seems the most likely to me.
*hides*
Real programmers use butterflies
modified 24-Jan-22 7:55am.
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Without going into political and/or religious territory here, I think the problem facing mankind now is that there is a complete intolerance, thus hatred, for anyone having different views and opinions than our own.
We have gone from a race of semi-tolerant people to completely intolerant of anything that is not "us", or the flavor of the week for "us".
When I hear people say we need change, what I hear is that "people need to change so they are like me". I don't hear anything else other than that. This type of change is not good.
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When the use of force and fraud are institutionalized and considered a legitimate means of achieving goals, what you describe is inevitable, because who gets to control those institutions becomes a major consideration.
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Slacker007 wrote: When I hear people say we need change, what I hear is that "people need to change so they are like me". I don't hear anything else other than that.
I think we change because we are in the middle of a third cultural revolution and who knows where it will take us. Hear me out:
I see the invention of writing, many millennia ago as the first cultural revolution. Its impact was profound as it allowed us to externalize knowledge in a durable way. The worst inscription is a thousand times better than the best oral story because it is long lasting and immutable. We have the Epic of Gilgamesh, Iliad, and Ovid's Metamorphoses because they were written. We don't know much about the contemporaneous effects of this revolution because, well, nothing was written about it.
Maintaining and reproducing written records was an expensive and arduous task with scribes that had to periodically copy manuscripts that would otherwise decay. This all changed with the invention of Gutenberg's press, which I see as the second cultural revolution. All of a sudden one important hurdle was removed. It was still expensive to initially produce the information but the cost of reproducing it was drastically reduced. The same economic logic applied latter on to radio and television where costs of receiving information were a tiny fraction of costs for producing information.
All this gave a high role to the editor, the person in charge of selecting what is worth publishing or sending out in the ether. Because of the high costs associated with producing the information, only "good" information was worth producing. Publishing houses that had bad editors would quickly go under.
This changed with the "digital revolution" that dramatically reduced costs for publishing information (my post is a living proof of this situation). Now anyone can produce and distribute information and this is what I call the third cultural revolution. Now it costs nothing to produce information and there is no economic incentive to editorialize it, hence the deluge of fake news, conspiracy theories and alternate facts. We simply are not prepared for the onslaught of information on this scale.
For the second cultural revolution we can evaluate its effects on society. I can trace a straight line form the Gutenberg press to the French revolution (Martin Luther's Ninety-five theses, Protestantism, religious wars, French encyclopedists, French revolution). The third revolution is however too close to us to be able to appreciate its effects. As Zhou Enlai purportedly said on the influence of the French revolution, "it's too early to say".
The question remains: if Gutenberg invented the guillotine what did Zuckerberg invent
Mircea
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Our social system is under stress. There are some papers out on the dual phase evolution of complex adaptive systems which I think can help us understand the machinations behind why we fight.
Dual-phase evolution in complex adaptive systems | Journal of The Royal Society Interface[^]
Unfortunately it takes quite a bit of background to make sense of it, but I'll see if I can get to a point without turning this into some sort of half-baked TED talk.
If I understand it correctly, and that's a pretty tall "if", then we are experiencing a compressed timeline of adaptive change as the stress causes that - and within that realm we are in the "poorly connected" phase of the process. That's not destructive/unproductive for us - none of this is strictly constructive or destructive or productive vs unproductive - it's just the nature of it.
The conflict drives adaptation. The fact that we fight, and fight a lot right now is because we must. The conflict drives social innovation, forces us to reexamine and maybe bury existing institutions to make way for new ones, etc.
It's ugly, it's messy. People get hurt. But that's life - and the alternative is worse.
I think the best move here, aside from attempting to understand what makes us do this, is to do so for the purpose of navigating yourself through the mess so you wind up on the other side in one piece, rather than worry about correcting the trajectory of us as a whole. There's something bigger than us going on right now - a reset - and we're front row spectators, all of us. But spectators, still. We can't control this no matter how much we want to. At best we can try to lean the handbasket we're in through the turns, but we can't change the overarching trajectory. Not at this phase. The reset is coming. Arguably it has already started in some places.
Real programmers use butterflies
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I'm a vegetarian and never occurred to me that I less prone to 'human' behavior as is...
I do think however that the urge to try to define what human is/means is a sure way to hatred (because I'm always will be human!!!)...
As any living thing on earth we too do follow our needs (instinct?) - what sets us aside is the ability to choose not to...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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I posted this once, to another thread on another forum. May be the only poetry you will see from me. Hope you like it.
The Genius of the Individual
You are steeped
in the miracle of life
that neither religion nor science explains
To war? To Love?
What boundaries are these?
For without war, does love hold its flavor?
And without love, would anything be worth fighting for?
For millennium these questions have rung
through the hallways of history
Tragedy, comedy, kindness, and pain
Etched on the souls of every living human
making every present moment
an exquisite balance of choices
Stupidity has no meaning if all are genius
and material possessions hold no meaning
if all are poor
Do you choose money?
Do you choose poverty?
and if so, why?
Some say we are doomed
and can only be destroyed
Yet they can't explain
that we've outlived the prophets of old
who claimed this very thing
This orb of earth continues spinning
and the birds, they still do sing.
Waiting for the choices
that we still will bring
Do we continue fighting?
Or do we dance and sing?
What happens when we put down our arms
and celebrate the miracle of our being?
Or is the celebration fighting,
loving,
killing,
friendship,
hatred,
kindness,
slaughter,
creation,
treachery
Expressions of our very being?
In the lover is the fighter
and in the fighter is peace defined
And in the genius, stupidity,
and in the ignorant, the sublime
No matter what is done
the miracle of existence surrounds everyone
The core of our being united
to the greatest philosophy ever told
Perhaps it's just choices
on the path as we grow old
Does the lover love?
and does the fighter fight?
What happens when we've learned
that fighting does not love make?
There is an inner portion to each of us
balancing this question for ourselves
As we continue going forward
making history
Learning
Loving
Being
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I have no clue what you're talking about.
In my mind and what I'm trying to achieve is to eat less meat, but better meat (better producers, better shops... ) ; try to reduce my meat intake.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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I don't know if I entirely agree with the premise of this thread, but with age has come the realization that both I, and humanity, has been down this road before. I think of myself charitably-well reasoned, deliberate in my considerations and sound in my judgement- but people that I think are a danger to humanity think of themselves in the same manner. And since our positions don't come close to matching, at least one of us is wrong.
I also realize that me considering an abstract situation and me considering a real situation that is unfolding in front of me will generate multiple reactions that usually are wrong to some degree. Abstract problems are frequently pretty well defined in both their causes and consequences. Real problems can have entire cargo ships worth of undeclared baggage and consequences that I may not find out about until decades later, completely changing my point of view about what had happened and how reasonable both my and other peoples reaction to it was, in hindsight.
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I think we often do underestimate the adaptive pressures that shape our behaviours, or worse, think we're above them.
These last 2 years have been eye opening in that regard.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Quote: I don't think we'll move past animal stage until we redefine what it means to be human in the first place.
Exactly!
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Our meat cages are both a blessing and a curse, but I don't know how we could possibly escape them. Unless you've got something like digital in mind, but that comes with new problems. After all, it put Dodge in Hell*.
*Fall; or, Dodge in Hell - Wikipedia
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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I am alluding to transhumanism in some form, though I don't know that discrete circuits and otherwise digital tech could get us there.
Real programmers use butterflies
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