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Apple IDs can be stolen.
The type of financial documentation of the purchase which we were willing to provide, along with the cooperation of the company who sold the phone can't be stolen.
If this was about protecting anything, the kid would have his phone back.
If it was about recovering equipment for someone Apple should have called the cops while the kid was at the apple store.
They aren't interested in protecting customers or they'd do things that make sense to that end.
Real programmers use butterflies
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We obviously have very different opinions about what all can be stolen / forged as well as how that applies to data security.
Agree to disagree?
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Let's do that.
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Gotta go with the bogus receipt theory. Jives with the current bogus vaccination certificates and fake currencies.
It's a meme world.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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We have bank records. We can reproduce the entire transaction, and we have the cooperation of the company who sold it. Apple will not evaluate that information.
They want an apple id. That can be stolen. It's much more difficult to steal the kind of bank statements we could provide.
Real programmers use butterflies
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I had a similar experience 3 years ago when my Brother in Law passed away.
Both Apple and Facebook treat me like a common criminal, even though I had a death certificate, in the end the only way I could get access to his locked iPad was to take his wallet, ID and birth certificate to a local Apple store and pretend to be him, his mother was with us at the time and it was an intensly emotional experience for her.
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That sounds awful.
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It certainly wasn't pleasant.
The mother in law was in tears when we got back in the car, and the staff in the Apple Store forced her to sign a written document stating she was my mother, even though we had Birth Certificates.
They also wanted a copy of my Marriage Certificate (But where told no, and after a bit of push back realised they where not going to get it), they where using the whole episode as a vector to grab as much personal data from me as they felt they could get a hold of.
Marriage certificate would have show that my Mother in Law was not in fact my mother but my wife's, and the argued fiercely to get a copy of it, along with with my brother in laws Passport, Driving Licence (Which we had to doctor the photo on so it looked like me and not him), we did eventually get access to both of his accounts however, which I then proceeded to sign over to joint custody of his sister (My Wife) and myself as well as his daughter.
This means there are now 3 of us that know the keys to the castle so to speak, and also have access to a GMail account specifically set up to receive reset requests, along with an HTTP SMS Service that when it receives an SMS message, sends a copy to all 3 of us on our cell phones, so that 2FA codes are also accessible.
We had to do a similar thing with Facebook, but thankfully FB where no were near as bad as Apple, they where un-pleasant to deal with and they still treat us (When we where shutting the account down at least) like we where trying to take the food out of their mouths IE: who dare you want to shut down one account and deprive us of the ad revenue that would bring in... but they backed off in the end, for weeks after with apple they kept "Following up" by EMail telling me they needed copies of this, copies of that, address confirmations etc... as I say, anything they could to grab just that one little extra bit of personal data.
Once we started just ignoring the emails though, they stopped after a month or so...
Surprisingly the best one of the bunch to deal with was access to, downloading of data and then closure of his Microsoft Account, once we produced the death certificate MS couldn't do enough to help us, and they even sent a small condolence's card to the my mother in law.
Similarly, Google where relatively easy to deal with too, and BBC for the iPlayer account, twitter, linked-in and Quora where a bit more pushy than I would have liked initially, but once we issued copies of the death certificate and told them all we wanted was a data download and then closure of the account, they where fine.
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Wow. Just, wow. I'm sorry.
At least Microsoft wasn't crappy about it.
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Thank you for giving me the opportunity to tell the story.
At the time I was going to write a whole blog post about it, but I was just too busy helping to sort out other things, and well it just became one of those things that slipped to the back burner.
I find apples attitude in the modern era strange to say the least.
Let's take the current state of web-development, and Apples push back on pretty much everything they didn't play a hand in, the only W3C recommendations they are happy to run with in the Safari Browser are the ones they played a large part in defining, they site "security concerns" for not adding what everyone else is adding, yet all the other main browsers and platforms have implemented pretty much all of these API's with little to no problems.
And if you want a real eye opener, read the court transcripts from the recent epic games vs Apple court case. Don't get me wrong, NONE of the big companies to day are squeaky clean, but compared to the state of Apple right now, the rest are starting to look like angels.
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Inexcusable behavior, I agree! But then, I've long despised them.
Back in 1978 my company encouraged employees to give up our pencils and try computers. They created a special payroll deduction plan to enable us to buy Apple IIc computers and accessories; mine came to about $2600, paid over a year. When I bought it I didn't realize that, if I wanted to do anything with it, I'd have to write my own apps. I was new to programming, and did not realize that the 6502 implemented subroutines differently. I was used to using CALL/RTN on an 8080 or Z80 platform, and there was no CALL in the 6502 instruction set. Then I checked the hardware itself and found that Apple had mapped the middle of the 64k memory space to the video display, making it unusable for my programs. I had a JMP instruction to get across the video section, but no RTN to get back. Grrrr... I later learned that the cpu had an equivalent for CALL (JSR - Jump, saving return address), but I was so pissed at this stupid hardware layout that I sold the thing. I've never considered owning an Apple anything since. I know they make some excellent products now, but I'd still take a pencil and paper over an Apple product. 
Will Rogers never met me.
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Bernie sent me this... push to add drama! - YouTube[^] If they wanted it to go viral, it worked!
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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Ah Belgium, always such a lovely country to visit! 
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The button clearly doesn't work. Did they forget to wire the Click event?
Luc Pattyn [My Articles]
If you can't find it on YouTube try TikTok...
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Oh Noooooooooooo....
This is un-beer-able!  The drama! 
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I’ve seen this a few times. Never fails to make me laugh.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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I saw that years ago, and it never gets old! Thanks for posting it!
Will Rogers never met me.
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Why don't you take the whiskey to them, maybe they can enjoy a moment too? 
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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Do they do fractional distillation by cooling? You can convert your 40% alcohol whiskey to 60% ... or even higher!
Best of all - you don't need to supply the ice!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Already thought it was chilly when we passed Bremen on our holiday
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Cp-Coder wrote: If they will chill my whiskey for me
I've seen a restaurant ad that listed "whiskey soup, with H2O croutons"  as part of their lunch menu.
Since the freezing point of ethanol is 159K, these guys could serve you liquid H2O with whiskey croutons.
Of course, I don't know how easy or safe it would be to drink. The whiskey croutons are cold enough to possibly freeze the liquid H2O before you could drink it.
Software Zen: delete this;
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It normally takes me 6 to 8 hours to do a clean install with all apps of any Windows system, but 11 caught me by surprise. No, it was not the fault of Windows that it took some 20 hours of blood sweat, tears and speaking in tongues. It was my inexperience with installation of two IDEs: IntelliJ Idea that I use for JavaFx projects and Android Studio that I use for Android Kotlin projects.
I also installed Visual Studio but since I have done VS dozens of times, it was a breeze. But I have only done IntelliJ once before. Same for Android Studio. Make no mistake, both these IDEs installed and ran like a breeze, until I tried to build and run some thirty little projects that I have done over time. That is when I got some error messages that took time, research and patience (not my strong suit) to figure out.
By the time I got everything to work, it was some two days and part of the nights gone! But the enormous sense of accomplishment made the long hours worth while!
And in the process I learnt a great deal about those two IDEs that will probably be very worth while in the future. Now I will take a strong coffee, thanks! ![Java | [Coffee]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/coffee.gif)
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Do I feel a detailed CodeProject article coming?
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