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I can get to twenty with my socks off! 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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What?! Is that all?
In the tradition of those puzzles that ask one to count the number of squares, I suggest you count your hands and feet too.  There y'go - an extra 20% to your upper-limit. 
You're welcome
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Two friends and I can count to sixty.
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I can dig it.
"Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."
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Am I the only one with a bad back from years of sitting hunched over a keyboard and monitor? 
Zaphod
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Dunno about "only" but mine is fine.
I feel for you though - back pain can be really nasty. ![Rose | [Rose]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/rose.gif)
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Have you tried changing your sitting position.
Maybe if you are only hunched over your keyboard, and not your monitor as well, it might help.
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modified 13-Aug-21 8:19am.
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I had the same problem until I got an ergonomic chair and adjusted it to my desk. My problem was that the chair rests, desk and keyboard were out of alignment. Now my arms are parallel to the desk and I'm able to sit upright. It mad a huge difference.
"When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others; same thing when you are stupid."
Ignorant - An individual without knowledge, but is willing to learn.
Stupid - An individual without knowledge and is incapable of learning.
Idiot - An individual without knowledge and allows social media to do the thinking for them.
modified 19-Nov-21 21:01pm.
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One of the things I do as an IT Director is keep an eye out for people who are causing themselves pain due to little things like chair height, monitor height, etc. I don't believe those ergonomic chairs are right for everyone, but I do believe that being comfortable when working an office job reduces stress and injury.
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Agreed. The ergonomic chair worked in my case mainly for the lumbar support and adjustable arm rests. When we are in the zone, we don't realize just how long we are sitting in the same position.
"When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others; same thing when you are stupid."
Ignorant - An individual without knowledge, but is willing to learn.
Stupid - An individual without knowledge and is incapable of learning.
Idiot - An individual without knowledge and allows social media to do the thinking for them.
modified 19-Nov-21 21:01pm.
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I have found a lot of chairs that claim yo be "ergonomic" but were not. What brand is yours? I'll google it.
Zaphod
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I actually have two, both of which are really good. My office chair, the company bought, works well mainly for the adjustable arm rests and lumbar support, but that's basically it. I haven't had an issue with my back since and it's inexpensive. VECELO Office Computer Desk Chair with PU Padded Seat Cushion, Adjustable Armrest, Ergonomic Lumbar Support for Task Work, Black
My wife got me one for my office at home for gaming and work. Much more expensive, but worth it for those long sessions of exploring the universe in No Man's Sky.  Steelcase Amia Task Chair: Adjustable Back Tension - LiveLumbar Support - Seat Slider - 4 Way Adjustable Arms - Black Frame/Black Fabric
"When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others; same thing when you are stupid."
Ignorant - An individual without knowledge, but is willing to learn.
Stupid - An individual without knowledge and is incapable of learning.
Idiot - An individual without knowledge and allows social media to do the thinking for them.
modified 19-Nov-21 21:01pm.
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I get a 90 minute deep tissue massage every 2 months. It has really helped me with similar issues.
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What a wonderful idea! 
Zaphod
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A doctor told me, long ago that there are only two things that hold us erect; our stomach muscles and our back muscles.
The less you need, the more you have.
Even a blind squirrel gets a nut...occasionally.
JaxCoder.com
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I've been using a sit-stand desk at work ever since I had a herniated disc in 2015. I'd like to get one at home too, but don't have the space. 
/ravi
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A sit stand desk can help (mine is an "Ology" from Steelcase). Maybe you won't like to stand to work, but at least you will be able to adjust the table height to your needs. I have the sit and the stand positions stored in the controller and sometimes it helps standing. But it ALWAYS help having the table at YOUR height.
A good chair can help too (mine is a "Sayl" from Herman Miller but I should have got the "Aeron", the "Cosm" or the "Embody"), you can look at the Steelcase chairs too (the "leap" model seems to be the most renowned in their series).
But the best thing you can do is to reinforce your muscles in your back.
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Dunno if I'd call it a "bad back" but a lifetime of bad posture certainly hasn't been great. Working on fixing that but unfortunately "ergonomic" chairs designed for posture actually harm my back since I'm WAYYY outside of the height parameters they design for (I'm ~6'6"). I saw Mike mention using your stomach muscles which I can attest works in taking some of the job off your spinal erector muscles; also pushing your butt back in your chair to stop your lower back from rounding seems to help take some additional strain off for me.
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My doctor, informed me that the results of an MRI (done for a completely different reason) showed that I have "deteriorating vertabrae"! Whatever that means. 
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Mine is from a poor choice in genes during the old gamete shuffle. I've had osteoarthritis in my lower back since my late 20's. 30+ years of running, cycling, and weight training later I still hurt, but at least I had fun getting here.
Software Zen: delete this;
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My wife has scoliosis. Inherited from a long line if Sicilian ancestors. She feels your pain.
Zaphod
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I'm sorry to hear that, as I know it's difficult. For me, 2x220 mg of naproxen sodium twice a day manages the discomfort pretty well, and I've become very good at not doing stupid things to my back/
Software Zen: delete this;
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We all know about the shortages of parts needed to manufacture electronics (and cars that need those components).
Seems to me that this would make the "right-to-repair" arguments even stronger, because due to these shortages, we are reverting away from being a "throw-away" society.
Thoughts?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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This man here (Louis Rossman) has been fighting for the "right to repair" movement/campaign for many years now. He has even partnered with farmers and farm equipment repair persons and companies (farmers right to repair - i.e. John Deere equipment, etc.).
Louis Rossman owns his own tech repair company. Apple in particular is his main enemy, as Apple does not like "right to repair".
https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup[^]
I am all for right to repair: technology, machines, tractors, cars, etc. you name it.
modified 13-Aug-21 5:52am.
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Agreed. I've been watching Louis for years, mainly on how to repair electronics. I can't see spending so much on devices that are designed to be thrown away after a couple of years. I horde electronics and my stash is getting too big. I hate that so much engineering and work went into a marvel of modern engineering being tossed into a land fill. Companies like Apple should be made to foot the bill for all of the hazardous waste they produce each year. Maybe they would change their ways if that happened.
"When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others; same thing when you are stupid."
Ignorant - An individual without knowledge, but is willing to learn.
Stupid - An individual without knowledge and is incapable of learning.
Idiot - An individual without knowledge and allows social media to do the thinking for them.
modified 19-Nov-21 21:01pm.
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