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Slacker007 wrote: private VPN use, IMHO, has no real value or benefit to the regular citizen unless someone wants to commit crimes
Definition of crime is wildly different across countries and across time itself. With more and more fuzzy laws about what can be expressed and what can't, and countries descending in authoritarian governments, private VPN use adds a layer of safety for the citizen.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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There is no reason at all for needing a private VPN connection, unless you are doing things online that would incriminate you legally. -- In my honest opinion.
you cannot convince me otherwise.
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So what? In many countries just being gay is a crime punishable by death, in other countries not being affiliated with a particular political party leads to accidents, even in the mighty and free US it's becoming a problem with people fired from their jobs for their political views.
Subjects don't need privacy, citizens do.
GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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den2k88 wrote: Subjects don't need privacy, citizens do.
I couldn't have said it better!
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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Wow, you have taken this thread to a whole new level of absurdity. We are talking VPN here.
If people are getting fired from their jobs for posting political comments, I assure you that VPN is NOT going to protect them - Facebook/Twitter still knows who you are, VPN or not.
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You're the one who took it to absurd levels by claiming that one has no need for a VPN unless engaged in criminal activity.
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and I still stick to that.
Show me a valid reason for private VPN use, that has nothing to do with hiding one's criminal activities online.
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What other posters have said about expressing opinions anonymously. Or reducing the extent to which you can be tracked by all these benevolent types like Google and your ISP. Or reducing the risk of man-in-the-middle hacks. By your logic, the use of encryption should also be curtailed.
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Greg Utas wrote: y your logic, the use of encryption should also be curtailed.
That is just a silly comment and has nothing to do with people hiding behind a VPN.
We encrypt data so that hackers cannot read the data when it is intercepted.
We hide behind private VPNs so that governments and law enforcement cannot track our IP addresses when we break that country's laws.
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Curtailed does not mean eliminated. I didn't think you'd go that far.
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"We hide behind private VPNs so that governments and law enforcement cannot track our IP addresses when we break that country's laws."
although your comments about fb twitter, etc are valid what you just said makes me wonder what planet you live on and for how long. The government nor law enforcement have the right to track me anywhere unless they have probable cause.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Your personal IP address is logged each time you login to your VPN provider.
The government can get your IP address anytime they want. Almost all VPN service providers have an agreement with law enforcement to give over most of your personal data upon a search warrant.
I live on planet earth, same as you.
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That's the point, they need a warrant specific to a suspect. Currently they just slurp up everyone's activity _without_ a warrant
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I can think of many legal, but possibly immoral activities that some people would prefer the use of a VPN-service for.
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That's easy. To hide one's non criminal activities online.
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it is not up to anybody else to prove you are wrong, though you are wrong. the proof is out there. find it yourself.
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Slacker007 wrote: Facebook/Twitter still knows who you are, VPN or not.
If you use a VPN, but then log into Facebook/Twitter, then duuuuuhhh.
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Porn? 
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why would you need a vpn for legal porn?
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In order not to get embarrassed if an ISP employer finds out by accident. As well as some curious person who might hack into my wifi. As well as some police officers who could tap my phone line (in my country police extensively abuses its powers in that aspect and do not hide that fact, according to official statistics around 30 percent of population got taped in past 10 years). E.g. I got taped 3 times by financial crimes unit that investigated my clients (I work as a corporate legal counsel which is risky in this aspect ).
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Somehow I don't feel ok exposing my sex life by accident even if it's completely legal 
I don't think the situation is much different in other states. It's not like I live in China or Russia. I live in Lithuania which is a democratic one. Yet due to the public opinion that it's ok for police to tap a phone line just in case (without any proofs of a criminal activity whatsoever), we have the situation.
P.S. neither I nor any of my clients got convicted, nobody even got to a suspect status.
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You're trolling.
And may your chains rattle lightly.
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noooo although this is the lounge and I had resigned myself to someone vectoring in that direction. 
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I beg to differ.
- With the exception of banking and access to government-provided services, there is no requirement to identify oneself with one's real name
- Many countries criminalize the free expression of opinion - if said opinion goes against that of the local government
- Even in the so-called free countries, expressing an unpopular opinion can get you into hot water (e.g. losing anything from friends to a job)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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