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Eddy wrote: At my last place, we meeted an hour per day, minimum. Standing of course
At my last place. Let me guess. It no longer exists. Quite possibly because someone went postal.
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Greg Utas wrote: At my last place. Let me guess. It no longer exists. Quite possibly because someone went postal.
For some of my previous jobs that was true.
..I'm no longer fit for "work" and had to leave. So, trying to prove otherwise. Most of the time, I'm rather confused, so limiting my replies too. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't.
I'm a programmer. That's not worth much if one isn't programming, is it?
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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To get out of meetings, just tell the boss you don't go to meetings that don't have an agenda published in advance. You don't want to turn up at a meeting unprepared, after all.
When I've done that, I was never invited to meetings again. (Or in some cases, meetings were never held again).
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( In another life, YEARS ago ) we had once a week, 5 - 6 people, "what are you working on? what's the status?" meetings. After they stopped, I found that they were useful.
( Well half of them - how to pick which ones. )
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davecasdf wrote: After they stopped, I found that they were useful.
You don't need a meeting for that; a coffee machine suffices. Got more updates there than at any meeting.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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my response to something I don't want to do is usually a 'No'. If I have to I will respond with 'NO!'
If I am ordered to do so by someone in upper management who can make me. And if I really don't want to do it and it won't cost me my job. Doing the item wrongly usually means I won't have to do it again. Doing it wrongly as stated does not mean doing it badly. Just not doing the exact way it was expected.
I know wrongly is not a word. But it suited my purpose here.
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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I recall walking into a meeting and when seeing 12 people I turned round to leave. When the PM demanded why I was leaving I pointed out that nothing would be decided with 12 participants so I was going to go do something constructive. I rarely got invited to meetings and NEVER took minutes.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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In a meeting with a potential bushiness partner, I had a slight difference of opinion with their CFO.
The minutes of that meeting correctly reported, "Joe called the CFO a f***ing idiot."
Needless to say, I was not included in further meetings.
Nothing succeeds like a budgie without teeth.
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I often do All the minutes, notes for meetings.
In real-time, while sharing my screen.
It keeps me engaged in the process, ensures everyone's voice is heard, and allows me to be wrong out loud.
I never thought of it as an opportunity to embarrass or harass a co-worker or client.
But by showing my screen, including (and especially) the Action Items, who they are assigned to, and what they actually say, we find that we get INCREDIBLE levels of buy-in, and we often review the Action Items at the end, to ensure that everyone is clear on what is assigned to them.
DOW Chemical taught me 2 things about every meeting:
1) If the purpose of the meeting is not clear, it MUST NOT BE HELD!
2) If the output of the meeting is not a well-defined set of actions, it MUST NOT BE HELD!
This really nipped a lot of the old "informative" or "inquisitive" (out of touch people trying to get up to speed), in the bud. And I greatly appreciated NOT being in those meetings, when I was forced into them at other companies.
You have an interesting take on doing the minutes. If I was your superior, I would have you re-write them, continuously, for days if required, until you capture the TONE and ESSENCE of the meeting. And you would be assigned to take ALL the meeting notes in EVERY meeting until you developed said skills.
Oh, and I would MOST CERTAINLY make you take the notes, online, and share/review what was being captured in front of the team having the meeting. We would "help" you reword and remove things (like side comments).
BTW, I don't discourage the side comments, like your minutes tend to. the emotional state of the team can be measured that way. It's usually a sign of deeper problems that I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT. Especially if we are ALL FEELING IT.
Oh, we also RECORD our meetings, and I drop Time Stamps in my notes, so we can quickly find specific conversations. It's never what was "said"... It's what was communicated by what was said...
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Wow! I'm glad I don't work there! How horribly efficient!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Interesting, I am not sure which level of sarcasm you are driving at!
Just in case:
It might sound inefficient, but if you type 80wpm or more, and have 30+ years of experience.
And can put your EGO aside (being wrong out loud)...
It REALLY is efficient. When we are done with a meeting, we can (and do) immediately send the Action Items, and often a Snippet Reminder of the context of the meeting (not always required).
We had to interface with another company that took, on average 2 days to get "Minutes" out to everyone.
We don't wait 2 days to get most of the action items completed. It was REALLY HARD to work with them, and they kept talking about "Work/Life" balance.
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After all, it's the IDEs of March 
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Back then the only hard disks they had were ferreus orbis, or spinning rust. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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MFM or RLL?
Money makes the world go round ... but documentation moves the money.
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No Brutus chip.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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No, seriously - I wanna do that: Closing Credits[^] - you probably will too! 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Understanding the link, but in real life, wouldn't "Closing Blame" be more apropos?
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No that's like getting to the end and saying "I think that's everything covered, anyone got any other business we need to deal with?"
You just know some ass is going to bring up trivia that could be an email and the meeting will triple in length so they can hear the sound of their own voice ...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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You're not thinking mean enough. Stuff to make them shut off their cameras in shame.
Like:
Stupidest Comment that was ignored
Stupidest comment that distracted from the meeting purpose and wasted our time.
Most pointless remarks just to get attention.
Best faking that they paid attention (often same as previous).
etc.
Remember, when you roll the credits you mute everyone. Game over.
or
Remember - they're worms - they're place is to be made to crawl!
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The real mans way: Wally Leaves Camera On[^]
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Ah - yes I remember it well (use Maurice Chevalier accent).
Now you've gotten into the spirit of it. Be selfish - shorten meeting from your personal perspective and just not get invited.
All Hail Wally !
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I tell you three times that brigade can truncate a viaduct! (7)
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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