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We're already roped in.
The ESP32's strengths are the amount of I/O it has and the built in array of radio comms it supports.
I'm using pretty much all of that.
More importantly, we've already built our supply chain around using these chips, so even if I changed all my code and went out and bought one of the chips you mentioned, it would be a non-starter.
I'm using BLE on the ESP32 already. The BLE portion isn't taking up much juice according to my USB amp meter but esp32 itself is kind of hungry.
Real programmers use butterflies
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A couple of questions, is it true to assume that the primary issue you have is with battery life? Does your system compute continuously or are there long periods when power could be saved by shutting down the processor to say 1µA and then restart it again when processing is required?
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Yes, my primary concern is I think they (esp the ESP32) could be much less power hungry.
In one of my commercial projects I've got an ESP32 that drives a screen, and the screen is the biggest pig, but it's continuous during a session. There are "wait screens" where I can blank out probably suspend the CPU with just enough state to bring it back if the radio and screen survive the suspend.
But my concern is more of a general one. The thing uses 60mA at idle with nothing connected except a voltage regulator and some pullups, and jumps rapidly as soon as you start computing with it. It doesn't seem like much but in practice, unless your device goes to sleep, wakes up, senses and transmits, then sleeps again (in which case 4AA batteries would last you a day) your batteries last mere hours.
The ARM Cortex-M based STM32 systems run at 400Mhz and are 40nm as well so i expect them to fare as poorly.
Lithium ION is a little better lifewise but for wearables and stuff this is just too hungry in general.
Real programmers use butterflies
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I am a curious amateur, knowing "nothing" about advanced biology. But I am curious 
I still remember the days when there was a race to be the first research institute to do a complete sequencing of human DNA. It took weeks, or maybe it was months.
Nowadays, DNA sequencing seems to be as simple as taking a breath. "Everyone" seems to do it in a snap. Covid19 RNA (it is RNA, isn't it? or is it DNA?) is obviously magnitudes below human DNA, but even human DNA sequencing seems to be a piece of cake today, to determine your ancestry, or your disposition of various diseases, or in criminal cases, or for a whole lot of other purposes.
Most of this change has come in less than twenty years. What happened? Computers haven't become that much faster! (I got the impression that they are essential as a tool.) Is the speedup in other, non-computer analysis hardware? Or have the scientists developed a completely new methodology that is a magnitude or two faster? Or are those companies offering info about ancestry or disease risk doing only a quick, partial analysis rather than a full sequencing?
To phrase it differently: If we twenty years ago had had all the knowledge that we have today about methodologies, would the hardware of the day be capable of sequencing the human genome in a many hours as they did use months, or are the methods of today fully dependent on recent hardware development? (I assume that computer hardware development is only part of it!)
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trønderen wrote: It took weeks, or maybe it was months years.
FTFY.trønderen wrote: it is RNA, isn't it? or is it DNA?
It can be either one, depends on the virus group. RNA is only used for replication, which is what most viruses are targetting.trønderen wrote: What happened?
It is like learning how to ride a bike, once you know how it goes you can ride all bikes, not only yours.
trønderen wrote: would the hardware of the day be capable of sequencing the human genome in a many hours as they did use months
No.
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trønderen wrote: it is RNA, isn't it? or is it DNA?
It's a single-stranded RNA virus.
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Covid is an RNA virus
Back in the day (staring in 1990) the Human Genome Project was labouring to sequence the human genome. However, the technologies they (and others) developed advanced, and in 1998 Craig Venter started a parallel private effort. Depending on what "complete" counts as, he actually published the sequence first. I've seen estimates of the Human Genome Project as costing USD2.7B, but now you can get a full sequence done for < USD1000.
So, yeah. If we had today's technology then, stuff would have completed faster. Something short (~30,000 bases) like Covid doesn't take them long anymore - they had the full sequence last January, and they know exactly where the variants differ as well.
Ancestry, 23andMe, and the others aren't doing full sequencing though. They're doing a partial method (as you guessed) that involves trying to find specific differences. (They chop up the DNA at specific sequence types, then separate out the remaining chains to find differences).
TTFN - Kent
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trønderen wrote: Nowadays, DNA sequencing seems to be as simple as taking a breath. "Everyone" seems to do it in a snap. Covid19 RNA (it is RNA, isn't it? or is it DNA?) is obviously magnitudes below human DNA, but even human DNA sequencing seems to be a piece of cake today, to determine your ancestry, or your disposition of various diseases, or in criminal cases, or for a whole lot of other purposes.
Google "RNA vs DNA".
trønderen wrote: Most of this change has come in less than twenty years. What happened? Computers haven't become that much faster! (I got the impression that they are essential as a tool.) Is the speedup in other, non-computer analysis hardware? Or have the scientists developed a completely new methodology that is a magnitude or two faster? Or are those companies offering info about ancestry or disease risk doing only a quick, partial analysis rather than a full sequencing?
Computers did increase, as did our knowledge of biology.
trønderen wrote: To phrase it differently: If we twenty years ago had had all the knowledge that we have today about methodologies, would the hardware of the day be capable of sequencing the human genome in a many hours as they did use months, or are the methods of today fully dependent on recent hardware development? (I assume that computer hardware development is only part of it!)
Twenty years ago is 2001. I'm from 1977. We'd have dealt with it another way; stricter lockdowns, quarantines for entire cities.
Let me paint you a (realistic) picture; I'll be vaccinated this month, but the effectiveness of the vaccine is 70%. Nothing like measles. I won't be allowed outside during lockdown, vaccinated or not.
For every human it infects, millions of copies (and evolution). If it infects someone vaccinated in those 30%, it may become immune to the vaccine. So after my shot, I still need to stay indoors.
I am old enough to remember when every new vaccine was celebrated. We seen the effects of polio. Suddenly, half of our country refuses vaccines without any good reason. This "minor disease" as called here, may turn hostile soon, if we don't stop the amount of people it infects.
We need stop spread. We need to stop idiots.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: We need to stop idiots.
That's what people from both sides of the issue say.
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Imagine the same with polio. Look up what the disease did, and how vaccines killed it.
There's no discussion here.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I say we wear masks forever, and stay in lockdown forever.
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So, you trouble with history? We could and we won't. Because in time of polio, everyone wanted vaccine.
Slacker007 wrote: I say we wear masks forever, and stay in lockdown forever.
That's what I expect; if people do not want vaccine nor stick to the rules, the virus will spread, and with spreading it will copy a million times in every new body. And thus, it will evolve faster.
And with part of us vaccinated it will evolve beyond that. If just part of us vaccinated and lot infected, it will mutate beyond that.
There once was a time where we celebrated new vaccines because they save lives. Congratulations and kudo's to you.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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 you bore me Eddy. You bore me to 
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Then quit reading and responding to what he writes.
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In steps the playground referee. 
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Slacker007 wrote: you bore me Eddy. You bore me to
Quit dreaming, I'll never bore into sh*t.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Even back when we had a soapbox, when he found himself shyte-faced, his answer was just his often-used hiding place of being dismissive. To a varying (but considerable) degrees, it's the cult/conspiracy mentality.
Anything that contradicts the dogma is party to the conspiracy and thus dismissed - eyes wired closed. Or, for some who think they've not been totally indoctrinated, they just try to ridicule what they don't agree with, then believe their own evasive position as being some equivalence of proof.
If you look not only in the US, but throughout the world, COVID isn't the only deadly disease going around - the likely more dangerous one is in heads (and I don't mean a head-cold).
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Even back when we had a soapbox, when he found himself shyte-faced, his answer was just his often-used hiding place of being dismissive. To a varying (but considerable) degrees, it's the cult/conspiracy mentality.
I've been part of too many of those, causing the closing of said soapbox. I don't want to see the Lounge go.
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: If you look not only in the US, but throughout the world, COVID isn't the only deadly disease going around - the likely more dangerous one is in heads (and I don't mean a head-cold).
There was a time when we celebrated each new vaccine, but this one is met with resistance. Mostly due to "experts" on FaceBook and Twitter.
The new more dangerous one you mention, is prolly ignorance.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Imagine the same with polio.
Polio and covid cannot be compared this way.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: There's no discussion here.
Yes, I am seeing that pattern with you.
My only point was that you call people who think Covid is not as bad as you do idiots, and they call you an idiot. Possibly both sides are right.
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20212 wrote: Possibly both sides are right.
Sorry, Spanky.
Deadly diseases do not behave like Schroedinger's Cat
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Deadly diseases
Such as not understanding a post you are responding to?
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20212a wrote: Polio and covid cannot be compared this way.
Why not?
20212a wrote: Yes, I am seeing that pattern with you.
So, this ad hominem is invalidating the statement how?
20212a wrote: My only point was that you call people who think Covid is not as bad as you do idiots
You maid multiple "points".
And yes, they're idiots; when was the last time all countries closed their borders? You are implying that's done all around the world for something that may be harmless. That's wrong, on a lot of levels.
Bastard Programmer from Hell
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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There is no "both sides of the issue" with this. There are the people who accept the word of experts and doctors on virus behavior and its impact on society, and then the people who deny the reality of it, thinking they know more than the people who study this stuff for their entire lives.
You either know what Dunning-Kruger is, or you're on the low end of that spectrum.
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You sure told him.
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Slacker007 wrote: You sure told him
Don't assume my gender. I am an ice cream cone today.
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