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20212 wrote: Actually, clicking help about actually kicks off the update process. It's terrible.
I'm curious, and will ask the obvious question: Why is it 'terrible'?
The only circumstance I can think of where an automatic update would be undesirable would be if you are debugging a web app that has a bug that is version-specific. If that were that case, you'd already have automatic updates disabled or otherwise circumvented.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Gary R. Wheeler wrote: The only circumstance I can think of where an automatic update would be undesirable would be if you are debugging a web app that has a bug that is version-specific.
Unless it's Microsoft and then everyone complains about the automatic updates.
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Personally, I've only had one Microsoft Update cause a problem, and that was alleviated by updating the antivirus package I was using at the time.
Professionally we have Microsoft Updates disabled on the industrial PC's we sell as part of our equipment. This is due to legal terminology in the warranty our customers receive on the equipment. They are free to turn updates back on, and most do, but that triggers a clause in the warranty that holds us blameless in the event of Windows-related issues.
My only gripe with Microsoft Updates at work is that corporate IT has to fondle every update as it goes past and get it all sticky with bodily fluids before it gets to our machines. 
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So a friend of mine made fun of me for using "Edge"..
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Bastard Programmer from Hell 
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Edge is based on Chrome. Check for an update! I use Vivaldi, which is also based on Chrome. It had an update that Griff's post pointed out. It brought it up to the Chrome engine he specified.
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David O'Neil wrote: Edge is based on Chrome
No, the engine is.
David O'Neil wrote: Check for an update!
Ehr.. no?
David O'Neil wrote: I use Vivaldi, which is also based on Chrome. It had an update that Griff's post pointed out. It brought it up to the Chrome engine he specified.
The engine, as you pointed out, I already use. And it part of the OS, so no need to install anything else.
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Bear in mind that Edge is Chromium based, and so is Chrome - so it's very likely that this kind of exploit will work on Edge as well, until MS patch it - and their record on patches is ... um ... patchy ... 
I'd strongly suggest you check Edge for updates just in case (though MS tend to react quite slowly with fixes and patches even compared to Google)
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OriginalGriff wrote: Bear in mind that Edge is Chromium based, and so is Chrome - so it's very likely that this kind of exploit will work on Edge as well, until MS patch it - and their record on patches is ... um ... patchy ...
You know how media works; if it was, they'd hammer hard on that. And if it is not, I loose nothing from it.
OriginalGriff wrote: I'd strongly suggest you check Edge for updates just in case (though MS tend to react quite slowly with fixes and patches even compared to Google)
Even if they patch later, I prefer anything (!) non-Google. Gives MS time to verify there's no malware included.
And moved my account here from Google to Protonmail.
Google is a damned security risc. Ever seen those little texts that tell you not to share information of the mail they sent you? Well, too late, because is already shared with Google.
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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I don't use Chrome: very busy in the background even when I wasn't using it.
I don't use Edge: won't scale on my Surface (neither does the "MS Office" web based install).
Only FireFox seems to do what I need on all my devices; out of the box.
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Strange: Chrome and Office both worked on my Surface Pro 3, and are working on my Surface Go 2.
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I have the "first GO" ... I suspect that might be it; but since it's MS, I keep questioning "why!!". And it's not that "old".
The other day, it effectively locked me out by launching (on itself) a trial Office, in full screen mode ... except it was scaled so large there was not a single control / button in sight. All I could do was reboot and jam / intercept until I could delete all traces of these "free favors".
My own UWP apps run great on it; scale properly, etc.
Only Edge / MS web stuff misbehaves.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Well there's your problem: you are expecting a MS app to run on an MS OS, on MS hardware ...
I have to say that neither of my Surfaces have had any problems, but I don't use 360 (hate the subscription model) - I use Office 2019 and have no difficulties (except swearing at Word, but everybody does that).
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You know what this means, don't you?
Reruns of that damn singing nun ... 
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You should watch Dreamscape instead.
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Quote: Reruns of that damn singing nun
Let the nun sing her lungs out! Just as long as she doesn't interfere with my watching The Expanse!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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I'm trying to watch that really slowly, so it doesn't run out ... just watched episode 3 of season 5 today, and it's not easy to not watch episode 4 ...
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Quote: I'm trying to watch that really slowly
I admire your willpower. Sadly I am just too weak to hold back like you!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Ahem, that singing nun was Julie Andrews and she was legendary for her vocal skills. But I'll miss Mr. Plummer.
 sigh, we're all getting older.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
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“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I shall memorialize him by watching 'Waterloo' instead, where he and Rod Steiger are perfect foils as Sir Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington, and Napoleon Bonaparte, emperor of a non-existent French empire.
15,000 extras and no CGI - it will never happen again!
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- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Message Removed
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A few days ago I was commiserating about my apparent inability to get my keyboard's spacebar to feel "just right" after a Coke spill and taking it apart to clean it up and then reassembling it. Seems like a lot of people agree that given the value we place on our time, it's simpler to just get a new keyboard.
My reluctance to do just that, in part, stems from the fact that if you can't get the exact same make and model, keyboard manufacturers can't help themselves from fiddling with the layout of their newer models. I went ahead anyway.
I just received my new "Microsoft LXM-00001 Ergonomic" keyboard as the replacement, and this one is no exception. I bought it because in terms of layout, this is the one thing I found that most closely matched what's being replaced. It doesn't have Back/Forward buttons or the zoom level "rocker" my previous one had, but I never used those, so they're not missed. However:
0) There's no gap between the top row (number keys) and the function keys above it, so I often find myself hitting a function key when I'm actually trying to hit a number key.
1) I'm used to finding the Windows key by feel, by searching for the key immediately to the right of the left Ctrl button. They've inserted an Application key between the two, so I'm constantly hitting it unintentionally. This is gonna take some re-learning.
2) The main Enter key is somehow narrower than the one I'm used to, so I'm often hitting the key to its left. But it's not as bad as the item above.
3) I want to reassign some of the extra keys that Windows 10 picked some poor defaults for, and while Microsoft's latest version of their Mouse and Keyboard Center identifies the keyboard exactly, it still doesn't let you change some of those key assignments. Why, I don't know.
4) The numeric keypad has a "Clear" button that only calc.exe seems to recognize. It doesn't bother me since the key it's replacing (the NumLock key) isn't something I ever try to use without looking at the keyboard anyway.
Enough whining. I've got a new keyboard I'm trying to get used to.
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