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OriginalGriff wrote: Hindhead Lights
Yes, I used to commute through there for a number of years. Absolutely deadly on a Friday evening. All replaced now by a nice tunnel under the hogsback.
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Gawd yes. And all it ever took was one idiot to do something really stupid and you could be delayed for ages.
About once a week on average. 
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Quote: British regulators warned Wednesday that people who have a history of serious allergic reactions shouldn’t receive the new Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine as they investigate two adverse reactions that occurred on the first day of the country’s mass vaccination program.
You'll soon have (the agony of) multiple choices.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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As I said... Although I would like to vaccinate myself and my family, I think I will wait until SP1
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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Nelek wrote: I think I will wait until SP1
and if we learned anything from Microsoft, it requires many, many service packs, and even then, you are not guaranteed nirvana.
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Slacker007 wrote:
and if we learned anything from Microsoft
Well, I'm not looking for Nirvana.
I just want to avoid the BSOD
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I would take the jab of any of the vaccinations in stage 3 (or emergency approval) right here, right now.
Based on the vaccination data I'm far, far more likely to have long term, life changing effects from getting COVID than I am from the vaccine. Same goes for the flu vaccine (which I got a couple of weeks back).
It's not the being-hit-by-a-truck feeling I worry about, or the 2 weeks off work (that would actually be awesome!). It's myocarditis, lung scarring, or any of the other things that would fundamentally alter my lifestyle I'm worried about.
Until then, I will continue to isolate and self mediate with this[^]
cheers
Chris Maunder
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I do really understand your points. And I partially share them.
But anyways... I am too "young" (not that anymore but still not in the list) and didn't have any disease that would make me in the risk list. The only point I have is: I was heavy smoker until my first kid was born.
So if I would or not... it is not a big deal, until I can get it... it is going to be a while.
M.D.V.
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Chris Maunder wrote: I will continue to isolate and self mediate with this
You're just going to think about it and not drink it?
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
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One of us can't spell medicate and the other can't read meditate.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
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Let's just say there was some medicating going on when I typed that.
Gotta love auto-correct.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Hmm... 70,000 deaths in 9 months, 1.7million cases, quite a few with long-lasting (permanent?) after-effects. 2 in 9000 allergic responses (both non-fatal) suggests we may see around 12000 allergic reactions, occurring in a medical setting. (UK figures)
It's likely I won't get the Pfizer vaccine anyway (too low risk to be in first tranches, most likely the Oxford/Astra one) but I'd still rather have the Pfizer than nothing at all! (And yes, I have had an anaphylactic reaction that put me in hospital).
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You probably won't get a choice: you'll get what you are given! 
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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They're still figuring out what "logistics" means.
It's a race between the ice cream wagon (Pfizer) and the "regular" distribution system (Moderna et all).
Some (provinces) here are being scheduled for Moderna.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Oh yes. It's a problem: just for the UK, you are looking at 60M people to vaccinate (in theory, some of those will be morons easily convinced by internet bullsh*t rumours anti-vaxers) which means 120 million jabs. If they get it up to 1M jabs a day - a mammoth task since you've got to observe 'em for 15 minutes after the jab and get them in, jabbed and out while maintaining social distancing (so public transport is a no-go and you've got to park cars somewhere) - you are looking at 4 months to do it.
And yesterday, they managed 1000 ...
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"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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OriginalGriff wrote: 120 million jabs. If they get it up to 1M jabs a day ...observe 'em for 15 minutes after the jab and get them in, ...looking at 4 months
Oh, you and you're math!  So negative.
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I'm positive they'll have a functional solution that solves this problem soon.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: I'm positive they'll have a functional solution that solves this problem soon.
Amazon could get self-administered shots to everyone in no time. Remove from box, jab in arm and you're done.  Easy.
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And I have Amazon Prime. Free Movies with each Jab!
cheers
Chris Maunder
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I don't think an anaphalactoid reaction is necessarily very rare, whenever I have had a flu shot in the past I have always been asked to sit around for a few minutes afterwards.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I don't think it's uncommon for people to react to a vaccine. I react to all sorts of stupid sh!t, (including alcohol and penicillin  ), but I'd still risk the vaccine over COVID. Bring it on.
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Actually, there's not a drug that they don't advertise on TV that doesn't "warn" against anaphylactic shock as a possibility. They usually tell you
". . . don't take this drug if you are allergic to it . . ."
I've always wondered how one knows (in advance) that one is allergic to the drug. Or one of it's components/binder/solvent/production impurities/ . . . . . . ? ? ?
With some bit of hindsight, allergic reactions, in general, have been increasing in our species. The surprise would be if no one reacted.
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Well, the ingredients are clearly shown on the box.
Just don't take it if you're allergic to xfirnbeblin, yxxogogomin, qwunitysol or zgirnonol.
What's not to get? 
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The other issue is that just 'cos you're not allergic today, doesn't mean you won't be tomorrow.
My wife's a beekeeper and used to keep bees in our garden, and I'd accompany her on swarm collections and moving hives etc. Stung maybe a dozen times over 7 or 8 years. Then one day in the garden 4 years ago, one bee stung me on the head (where I'd been stung in the past). Within 10 seconds I knew something was wrong. Within 5 minutes I knew I was in big trouble. Within 10 minutes the ambulance was at the door, plus a paramedic. BP 70/30. Fortunately no swelling of the airway so I could breathe fine and recovered quickly in hospital.
We no longer keep bees in the garden.
But, I was stung again about a month later (completely random!) and I took myself by taxi to hospital just in case, epipen at the ready, but just felt ever so slightly light-headed. I know of other people who have had a one-off reaction, or who have stopped having reactions.
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