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GeneralWill Microsoft Power Platform really make it possible for anyone to be a developer? Pin
swampwiz28-Nov-20 19:20
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Sander Rossel29-Nov-20 0:54
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Just go to QA, apparently it's not even possible for developers to be a developer Laugh | :laugh:

Seriously though, I've worked with a no-code product and it was very limited in what it could do.
You still had to design a database, which was NOT easy with a drag 'n drop interface that had no scrollbar Dead | X|
Anyway, when the database (or part thereof) was in place, you could get to "developing".
I worked with someone who'd done WinForms for about twenty years, but he didn't understand web concepts at all, and that was what we were making.
A simple form was easy enough, but then again, so is a form in ASP.NET Core Razor Pages (if you know what you're doing).
Anything slightly less easy was exponentially more difficult as you did not have easy access to the JavaScript of the page.
You could write a separate JavaScript file, but you could also add JavaScript to controls in event handler fields.
The problem was, when you deleted a field, so would the JavaScript be deleted.
We've lost quite some code and even entire forms that way.
Source control was not available.
The back-end was drag 'n drop too, so no code at all.
I had to drag and entire routine twice because of an if-else statement Dead | X|

The fun part, when we asked the company how their other customers did this kind of thing, they told us they didn't Laugh | :laugh:
Apparently, we were their first customer to use their drag 'n drop interface.
All other customers hired their consultancy company who did everything by writing JavaScript and HTML because that was easier and faster for them Laugh | :laugh:

Meanwhile, my customer paid €16,000 a year for the platform.
Told them I could make it in .NET for less than twice the money, with a hosting cost of about €100 a month in Azure.
It would be cheaper after two to three years.
Their product failed, but they're still paying the platform €16,000 because they took an x year contract Sigh | :sigh:

Just a little anecdote, make what you want from it, but personally I think no-code platforms can't deliver on their promises.
With non-developers creating them and with all the code scattered everywhere on these platforms, they're just the next do-it-all Excel sheets that no one knows how it works anymore and everyone prays will keep working.

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