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OriginalGriff wrote: Wish I'd had it for my french and latin lessons at school
Then, you would have learnt neither French nor Latin. 
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So ... no real change there then? 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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French is on my list of languages to learn.
Right after pig-latin and bop-talk.
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When in China, 5 years ago, I was impressed with the translation program then os I'd be astonished if it had not improved even further. Point you phone at a sign in chinese, hold really still and read it in english via google.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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I do not speak English well, but it's perfect for today's translation project! (Thus spoke Google Translate) 
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You can install an accompanying browser feature that will automatically translate pages in foreign languages. The main thing I've noticed are lack of clarity in the pronouns he/she/it, due to the language itself, whatever it is. I have in my TODO list an app that would use the Google Translate API to prepare a set of exercises to memorize words and phrases from any web page or paragraph that you point it to.
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I'm sure most of you get it or you wouldn't be developers. We're always accruing new knowledge not just to keep up but to get ahead. I don't know about you but I'm a sponge. I sustain myself on learning things. It's such a rush to challenge myself to do something new or something better.
I went from not being able to wire up a 16-pin hitachi interface LCD to building IoT gadgets with them, all the way to doing it for money in under a month, drawing from a hobby I abandoned for programming back when I was a kid. Now I'm doing both. It's seriously challenging me.
I haven't used my brain this much in years. It's one thing to learn more in a field you're already familiar with, like when I learned parsing theory. It's another to learn a different, even if related field. That's what I'm doing now.
It's all very fun, but now I worry I'm going to get lost in it to the expense of everything else.
Can it be an addiction? I wonder.
Real programmers use butterflies
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I am speaking for myself here...
when I was young and single, I had the "learning rush". Once I got older, got married, and had two demon spawn, my "learning rush" disappeared. Now, all that is left is trying to survive and keep what is left of my sanity.
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I'm 42 *sideeyes Douglas Adams* and I still have the learning rush. No kids though.
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I'm 67 and still have the learning itch
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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I love seeing your sig flash by me in my notifications because even though I can't see all of it in the little blurb it gives me i immediately know the reference and mentally recite it in Johnny Depp's Hunter voice. (say what you will i thought the movie did HST justice)
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I prefer the book but Depp did pretty well in the film - the special effects weren't my experience ( mine were much worse ) when I dabbled in taking that stuff but hey ho. We are coming into bat season very soon...
"I didn't mention the bats - he'd see them soon enough" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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I'm 56, and still have the learning itch. The problem is that there are many more claims on my time than there were when I was young, single, and childless, so the pile is growing at the bottom faster than I can clear it at the top. 
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.
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I'm sorry. I am older (than I was at least) married and childless so I have less claims on my time. I suppose I'm blessed in that, but I can also only deal with so much so it's for the best.
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Wait till you're asked to build another one. It's never again like the first time; money or not. Once you figure it out, the little birdie inside says this should now be delegated and to find something new / different.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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The cool thing about devices though is interfacing with different hardware is at least for now enough to give me some of that sweet sweet beginners mind.
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Ahhh, yes ... a scalded cat is even afraid of cold water!
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Sander Rossel wrote: I've definitely worked with code from developers who did not enjoy learning
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Allow me to be the jerk who says I don't consider them to be developers - at least not competent ones. :~ I could just be being extreme and judgmental though. But I've never worked well with them.
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Sander Rossel wrote: I rarely learn just for the sake of learning.
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Maybe I'm just an oddball then. It wouldn't be the first time.
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Sander Rossel wrote: Since I'm a good friend I want you to learn, so I've compiled one of the best learning resource for you to check out: hidden learning surprise inside!!![^] 
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As you can see, I've taken it to { heart }
At least you didn't Rickroll me. =D
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{
This is more than I ever hoped for!
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I did read that article though, and the main point is the same one I think you made, that what if:
if(foo)
bar();
baz();
To which I respond that this has never happened to me that I can recall, in part because VS autoformats code and I hit Ctrl-A,K,D regularly.
So it's a solution in search of a problem, at least with my personal code.
When I am working on a team I code differently, but it also takes me longer and irritates me.
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I just found an abomination, purely by coincidence, that had me confused for a moment.
if (something &&
somethingElse)
DoStuff();
else
DoOtherStuff();The indentation doesn't help here!
Needless to say, I wanted to add braces and added them above somethingElse, which broke the code
The point you make has actually happened to me before.
I inherited someone else's code and I had to make a change.
For some reason, the original programmer added two lines with the same indentation (and VS didn't change it back for me, I think this was VS2010).
I added a (conditional) third, but to my surprise it was always executed!
Took me a while to find that one 
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awwwww.
Well maybe its your else statements that are the problem!
Don't use else {}[^]
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Having multiple return statements in a function is another pet peeve of mine.
I'm fine with it at the start of a function, like if (parameter == null) return, but not somewhere halfway.
I read some code at the top, miss the return statement in the middle, and think I'm getting a wrong result at the end.
Only when I actually run the code (and somehow my breakpoint won't hit!) will I see the error in my thinking because the functions returns on me halfway.
I recently read some sample code that had like four return statements in some 20-25 line function or something, that's just plain not readable! 
Also, what if my else branch doesn't have to terminate the code? 
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To be fair I don't agree with that article.
But I also feel like creating workable (as in readable/maintainable) code is an organic process. If you try to force it it impedes productivity and becomes counterproductive. I think at least, unless you need (and are willing to spend the overhead) to work in a mid to large team it's different, but on my own or in small groups it's in my experience best to let experience teach you how to code, and say screw the thinkpieces that people write simply to make themselves seem smart. For different people what maintainable readable code looks like is going to be different, but find something that works well *for you* and do that.
I never get tripped up on braceless ifs, so it's not a peeve of mine. I however, *loathe* over factoring, such as using design patterns just to use them, or creating a class where one function would do. Why? Because I find it impossible to navigate.
But you know what? That code can map directly to a UML diagram and my code can't, so I should drink a tall frosty glass of STHU because that code has its advantages.
I also don't like interfaces i am expected to work against to come without XML DOC COMMENTS!!
But that's because i have to work with that code. Otherwise I could not care.
My point is, we all have our peeves, and different styles and such, but unless i have to code against your work I don't care what it looks like. I hope *you* do though, if that makes sense.
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