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Nelek8-Nov-20 0:31

8-Nov-20 0:31

Slacker007 wrote:
If one's opinions are not in line with Griff's then they become "ill formed" opinions.

Sorry but... Bullsh1t.

I don't agree with him or with many other people and have never had any problem or whatsoever you are implying.

The problem is not with everyone's opinions, the problem is how everyone share / defend them or argue / attack others.

The street is public too, but if you start shouting / saying some of the things that were running in the soapbox, you would end spending the night at a police station (and that having luck).

If you can't see that...

That said. I partially agree with Daniel's message answering you before me. CP has been, is and will always be a private site. It is very community oriented and tries to have nice sharing values / principles, but it is still a private site and runs a business behind it. And as every busines in the physical world, there is someone taking decissions and as that someone is a person, there will always be a certain influence or bias.

But in conclusion... I still find that Chris and all CP Staff do a damned good job at trying to run the site the most neutral and community oriented as possible.

M.D.V.

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modified 8-Nov-20 6:39am.

theoldfool8-Nov-20 1:15

theoldfool

8-Nov-20 1:15

If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.

Stephen Gonzalez8-Nov-20 11:39

Stephen Gonzalez

8-Nov-20 11:39

Quote:
Double standard at this site, always remember that. Double standard.

Put this crap standard to your family. It ain't work for me.

The best way to make your dreams come true is to wake up.

Paul Valery

Nelek8-Nov-20 0:52

8-Nov-20 0:52

Stephen Gonzalez wrote:
In my entire membership time on CP, I don't think SoapbBox was only trolling,...

Not only, and I liked it too when it remained civilized.
But there was always that tiny stone that tiggered an avalanche / landslide of poisonouse personal wars.

There were a lot of warnings and even temporary bans, but it never lasted more than some weeks before it started again.

If people can't behave...

M.D.V.

Maximilien7-Nov-20 11:55

Maximilien

7-Nov-20 11:55

please no.

I'd rather be phishing!

Daniel Pfeffer7-Nov-20 12:50

Daniel Pfeffer

7-Nov-20 12:50

Being the kind of person who enjoys a good debate, I miss what the SoapBox was at its best. At its worst, it was just as bad as the sewers you find on other sites that shall remain nameless. I sympathise with the site operators' decision not to have an open sewer on their site.

Maintaining civility in the SoapBox would have required a strong moderator empowered to remove posts (and members) for unnecessary roughness, a cure worse IMO than the disease.

Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.

Gerry Schmitz7-Nov-20 14:23

Gerry Schmitz

7-Nov-20 14:23

I would have at least made it an AI project: content classification. You have a huge training and testing sample set. Part of the classification was done for you (votes). Might have made a great stand-out article. Sponsors. Oh well.

It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

Daniel Pfeffer7-Nov-20 21:15

Daniel Pfeffer

7-Nov-20 21:15

Perhaps Chris still has the SoapBox stored on an isolated machine in the basement (next to the caustic cleaning materials Smile | :)

). You can ask...

I doubt upvotes would help much in content classification. Some of the most vitriolic statements received upvote in admiration for the way the vitriol was employed. This did not mean that they were "nice" statements.

Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.

Gerry Schmitz7-Nov-20 23:07

Gerry Schmitz

7-Nov-20 23:07

I don't know CP's "internals", but if a vote can be tied back to a "voter", that says a lot.

For instance, there are some places I will never be visiting again based on the "vote".

It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

Daniel Pfeffer8-Nov-20 1:10

Daniel Pfeffer

8-Nov-20 1:10

Given that you can see the posts that you upvoted (in your reputation history), it is obvious that the site admins can do the same. I agree that opening this ability to the general public would be a serious breach of privacy.

Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
-- 6079 Smith W.

Rick York7-Nov-20 13:04

Rick York

7-Nov-20 13:04

Try https://www.ars-technica.com/[^]. It has a forum with few holds barred.

"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

grralph18-Nov-20 2:46

grralph1

8-Nov-20 2:46

Yeah No

I like the idea of the freedom.
No Kid Sister a to worry about.

I only went there occasionally to read some crude jokes and have a laugh and enjoy them.

But it was a toxic place and the toxicity started to trickle out of there and project through to my favourite place on the internet.

That place is here in the lounge.
There is no place like the lounge.
Anywhere.

So best that it be gone.
Don't want to ruin or mess with the lounge.

I like that here I get to hear the valuable opinions and advice from people that I would probably hate in real life.
I don't want to give that up.
It is a freedom that I won't give up.

FES I still miss Dalek Dave and he was toxic but never threatened the lounge.
He just faded away. It was his choice. I didn't ever like him but I loved his posts.

Some people here though disappeared because of the soapbox as it started to be a bit of a bullybox.

I think that the community here is better off without it.

Still miss it a bit though.

"Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980

C^hris L^osinger8-Nov-20 3:47

8-Nov-20 3:47

the Soapbox was essential if you needed to know which CP members were racist sacks of garbage.

Slacker0078-Nov-20 4:15

Slacker007

8-Nov-20 4:15

this post illustrates the double standard. Making derogatory comments about site members and nothing happening to OP.

Nelek8-Nov-20 4:51

8-Nov-20 4:51

You have the same tools as the rest.

Report it (I did)

M.D.V.

C^hris L^osinger8-Nov-20 5:05

8-Nov-20 5:05

about which CP members did i make derogatory comments ?

be specific.

Mycroft Holmes8-Nov-20 11:29

Mycroft Holmes

8-Nov-20 11:29

the sacks of garbage of course D'Oh! | :doh:

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP

C^hris L^osinger8-Nov-20 11:45

8-Nov-20 11:45

and it wold be wrong to call them that.

i'm so ashamed.

dandy729-Nov-20 5:28

dandy72

9-Nov-20 5:28

This is not an example of a double standard.

That was a general statement, nothing aimed at anyone in particular, and not a personal attack. That's what was happening in the soapbox, and is one of the reasons it's gone.

Here, I'll make a "derogatory comment about site members" similar to the OP's: Some people suck.

Do you see a double standard here, and a reason "something should happen" to me for making such an assertion?

Nelek8-Nov-20 4:49

8-Nov-20 4:49

And this is one of the comment type that I was telling in my previous post.

Sorry, but totally out of place.

M.D.V.

C^hris L^osinger8-Nov-20 5:09

8-Nov-20 5:09

lol

Nelek8-Nov-20 5:43

8-Nov-20 5:43

lol what?

You are cleverly not adressing anyone in your comment, but this is exactly what I meant, a post with the only purpose to provoque people and the kind of post that would start the degeneration of a thread that has been relative neutral.

M.D.V.

C^hris L^osinger8-Nov-20 5:52

8-Nov-20 5:52

Nelek wrote:
You are cleverly not adressing anyone in your comment,

why should i be "addressing" anyone? i'm replying to you.

Nelek wrote:
a thread that has been relative neutral

what on earth are you talking about?

it seems pretty unanimous that people regard the SB as "a sewer", "toxic", "poisonouse" (your own word), "crude". people here are described as "people that I would probably hate in real life"

and you're upset because i pointed out that it was full of racism ? in addition to everything above, it was full of racism. and that's a big reason why i stopped going there, long before Chris pulled the plug on it.

Nelek8-Nov-20 6:40

8-Nov-20 6:40

Chris Losinger wrote:
why should i be "addressing" anyone? i'm replying to you.

I meant in the original message, not the "lol" you answered me.

Chris Losinger wrote:
and you're upset because i pointed out that it was full of racism

That's the difference, we were mostly speaking about a place or the messages. Should you have said it like this the first time... I would have told you nothing.

And I am not upset, I just didn't like your comment:

Chris Losinger wrote:
which CP members were racist sacks of garbage.

You took the personal way directly insulting some people. There is a subtile difference between both approaches.

This is exactly the way to start a "fight" which was my point the whole time.

We could continue like this for long time, but I am not going to do it.
If you want to see the difference I tried to point you, perfect. If not... well, then don't.

I just don't want to get into the loop. So... Have a nice time Smile | :)

M.D.V.

modified 8-Nov-20 12:49pm.

C^hris L^osinger8-Nov-20 7:53