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Ah so "The Wayback When Machine" is archive.org....gee, maybe that's why people say "archive it" rather than "use the Wayback When Machine"?
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Why is that distinction so important to you?
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Because that's obviously what I meant when I said "archive it" in my original post.
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My whole point was that you don't make your own "archive" and hope to be able to submit that as evidence. You could fabricate anything by tampering with your so-called archive.
A snapshot of a web site (if that was your only evidence) would carry a lot more weight, IMO, if you could show that anyone can go to archive.org (a third-party with no vested interest in the outcome) and look up a snapshot of a given site as it existed on a random date--not your own creation that's been sitting in your possession for some amount of time.
And of course I fully realize there's probably a dozen ways you could still get the returned results forged along the way. But it gets a lot harder to fake that sort of thing, than your own files.
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dandy72 wrote: My whole point was that you don't make your own "archive" and hope to be able to submit that as evidence
Which is a strawman argument as that's not what I was suggesting.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: dandy72 wrote: My whole point was that you don't make your own "archive" and hope to be able to submit that as evidence
Which is a strawman argument as that's not what I was suggesting.
Well then pardon me for misunderstanding what you meant by:
You should have archived it first. It's kinda your duty to gather "evidence", not the duty of the person you are accusing things of.
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When people say to archive a site they mean use archive.org. That site doesn't archive things automatically, you have to archive it yourself which is why I said it's your duty to do it.
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That's news to me, and you'll forgive me if I'm incredulous about this claim. A company I used to work for (now defunct) has had a few snapshots of its site taken on a regular basis back when it was live, and I can guarantee you that nobody working there had ever requested that.
Besides, have you looked at the number of snapshots taken for some sites? Either the request process is automated, or some people have made a career out of requesting said snapshots every few minutes.
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It's probably a bit of both, they probably trawl some sites themselves, others you have to enter the url manually. If what you're saying is correct then there's no issue, just go to the archive and it'll be there, right?
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That stinks. But be careful, they can countersue. Make sure you have a solid case.
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*Removed*
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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Puerile, but no more so than much of the content on Twatter.
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Way to sneak in some Trump bashing.  
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yep. it is fine for the others to be political or violate the board rules, but you and I get banned if we look at someone funny.
whatever.
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CP made their political feelings clear when they left the Trump bashing posts and deleted mine that mentioned a certain syndrome some people have.
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Hi!
I study CS already few months and I start hating programming - something I used to love. I thought that programming was about being creative, about inventing things, but the only things that we keep doing at school is copying and pasting other people's ideas. I don't know what is the point of copying and pasting other peoples algorithms? Especially when you program in Java which have a massive library with all those alorithms prewritten. What is the point of building a bubble-sort algorithm from scratch if you have a massive Java-libraries with all algorithms already prewritten? So what's the point of the classes and whole idea of object orientation and reusable code if the job-interviewers and the school is expecting from you to reinvent the wheel? Because they want to test your intelligence? How is this testing my intelligence if solving algorithmic problems is just about memorizing other people's solutions thanks to photographic memory and pasting them on the whiteboard from your memory then explaining to the teacher or the inteviewer what it is that you copied. And those problems are all the same - only written with different words. By memorizing all common algorithms from books you can solve all of them by finding analogy without even using your brain for a second just like those russian chess players who won tournaments by memorizing all chess openings from books. The funny thing that I always read on the internet is people writing something like "I was bored, so I created Conway's game of life". Like what? You didn't create anything. You just reimplemented someone's idea from a book or from a tutorial from a guy who also copied it from a book or a tutorial. You copied and pasted a solution that someone already came up with. Because, can you make a Conway's game of life without those famous 4 loops? You can maybe create a class or a different method but those 4 loops you have to copy and past. So what is the point of doing all this copying and past? I'm so bored. Why is programming so boring? All these stupid games and algorithms that we have to copy and past. I would love to build my own program, that I invented, with solutions that I came up with and not recreate some prehistoric code... Is this hwo this job will look like in the future? I thought I would be free to create something that is mine, that I can stand for and not be a living scanner. Maybe I should be a writer instead? As a creative person I feel tormented by my school and the thought that this is how my job will look like the rest of my life.... 
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Given some of the questions we see here, that explains a lot.
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Member 14971499 wrote: the only things that we keep doing at school is copying and pasting other people's ideas.
Member 14971499 wrote: I don't know what is the point of copying and pasting other peoples algorithms?
Nor do I.
And the simple solution is: stop doing it.
I don't spend my days copy'n'pasting other peoples software (or generally even my own). So instead of "solving homework problems" by googling the question, why not read the question and try designing your own algorithm? Writing your own code? Testing it? Debugging it? And yes - often throwing it away and starting again!
This world is full of opportunities: if you are spending them on copy'n'paste then don't whine about that - just stop pressing CTRL+C ...
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Well, this is the problem. In the beginning I tried to solve those problems by myself, but some problems has only one solution that you have to copy anyway. For example Game of life, can you do it just with one loop? No, you have to use 4 loops. You can put them inside methods or create classes but still you have to copy this solution. Same to bubble sort. You can't invent anything new. You have to copy. Because there is only that one solution, because otherwise its not bubble sort. So why bothering even to think? If the result is anyway that same solution. The other thing would be if I made a whole program from scratch... a game or an app. Here I can implement new solutions and really think for myself. I don't have to reimplement other people's ideas, unless I find them useful. This is the main problem.
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The idea of "reinventing the wheel" in producing your own version of the code for a bubble sort for example is that it teaches you how to think about problems, how to approach them, how to break them down and work out how to implement a solution. Copy'n'paste doesn't do that: it teaches you sod all, except to be reliant on other's work - which when you get a "real world problem" that doesn't have a ready chunk of code on SO or CP means you have no idea where to start.
Have a look here: If you are having problems getting started at all, then this may help: How to Write Code to Solve a Problem, A Beginner's Guide[^] It goes through a simple problem and shows you how to start thinking about solving it.
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Well, I have few books on problem solving. But how helpful are they when I have a problem with only one solution? Like Conways game of life. it has only one solution. I can't be creative and maybe use a while-loop or just one loop. No, this problem has only one solution - 4 loops. And what we actually learn as students is to copy these fourr loops, because there is no other way to recreate this game. If the problem was, create a program with such and such funcionality than I could create anything I wanted as long as it had thsi functionality. Let me give you an analogy of food. If someone told you: make a pizza. How creative is that? You have to follow a recipe, copy that recipe, or it's not a pizza. These is how those algorithms work, you have to recreate certain recipe, otherwise you didn't solve the problem. So you memorize all those recipes and you recreate them, and the worst thing is that in the end of the day, you don't even use them because you have huge libraries with all those algorithms prewritten. If I at least have use of them, but I don't. When I create my own programs I solve much complex problems and I don't find it hard at all. Why? because I see meaning in what I do. Here I don't see a meaning besides to pass exams and make the interviewer glad.
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I think you will most likely find in the real world you will never be asked to write Conway's Game of Life. Most business problems are far more complex and require considerable thought. People who try to do it by cut and paste tend to fail quite quickly. Or, worse still, the business fails because the code does not work.
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Member 14971499 wrote: Let me give you an analogy of food. If someone told you: make a pizza. How creative is that? You have to follow a recipe, copy that recipe, or it's not a pizza.
I think you summed up the problem quite well, here.
You are a recipe follower - or you'd not be complaining, here, about not being able to use your imagination. You may think you are more, but, solving a problem yourself, even though it's been done, is not just a learning experience but a chance for you to use your imagination.
I think your pizza idea is a perfect one - you think there's only one solution. Have you and idea how many types of pizza there are? NY Style. Chicago Style. Heaven only knows what they eat in Europe.
So, you'll say they're all just basically the same? Well so is every person; so is every car; in fact, so is every day in your way of thinking. Why bother going on to more days when they're all the same?
Damn you must be bored with more than just coding . . .
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And of course ... the dreaded Ham and Pineapple ... 
Truly the VB of pizza!
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