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And it's blood group immune response that, hypothetically, is going after the CORONA virus - like the "anti-A" but the study that talked about "A" being more susceptible didn't have enough B or AB in the cohort to make any claims. It would be an interesting adjunct.
As for whether plague is a virus or bacterium is beside the point: apparently they can determine the descendence.
Nature's full of overlaps: most insects that specialize do so because they've adapted to natural plant toxins and other insects haven't. They eat what the can - not because they prefer it but because it's what they can eat. Why do I say this. Because quite accidentally, these 'toxins' are also what give herbs, spices, vegetables, etc. their flavors. Yes- it's a bit of a peripheral topic but the point is that natural selection sometimes has side effects. Mammals may (or may not) be attracted to smells and tastes of evolved insect repellents and toxins.
Or better, cowpox gave immunity to smallpox for milk maids who caught it, and in fact helped Jenner launch the concept of vaccination.
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I'm always getting the seasonal flu shot; it's not a perfect vaccine, but it reduce the chance of getting it.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Maximilien wrote: it reduce the chance of getting it.
Actually there is no way to prove that. You're "hoping" it helps. 
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Not until after the flu season is over, that's when you can summarize how efficient it was.
It's usually ok-ish, sometimes bad and very seldom really good.
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Just ignore me. I'm being pedantic.
Even afterwards, you can't tell. There is no possible way to know if you hadn't gotten the vaccine that you would have then gotten the flu.
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Well, yes.
The knowledge on how efficient it is for you personally just isn't there. There is no morally acceptable way to find out for real.
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ZurdoDev wrote: Actually there is no way to prove that
Has already been proven, if it weren't, then it would be called "alternative medicine". It lowers the chance you get it by 40%, and if you do still get sick, it won't be as bad as without the shot.
I get it for free, every year.
Also, you can't get the flu from the shot itself.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Has already been proven,
How so? How can one possibly prove that if you did not get the vaccine you would have gotten the flu. Of course you can't. It's not possible. Don't believe anyone that tells you otherwise.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: and if you do still get sick, it won't be as bad as without the shot.
 That's not what I've heard people say that actually experienced this.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: I get it for free, every year.
So you're the societal drain, huh? 
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Also, you can't get the flu from the shot itself.
So says the CDC.
Quote: Side effects from the nasal spray flu vaccine may include: runny nose, wheezing, headache, vomiting, muscle aches, fever, sore throat and cough.
So, basically the flu.
Oh, and then there is this little bit, Quote: Serious allergic reactions to flu vaccines are very rare. If they do occur, it is usually within a few minutes to a few hours after vaccination. While these reactions can be life-threatening, effective treatments are available.
So, you may not get the flu from the vaccine but you might die from it. 
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ZurdoDev wrote: How so? How can one possibly prove that if you did not get the vaccine you would have gotten the flu. Of course you can't. It's not possible. Don't believe anyone that tells you otherwise.
You can't prove that for a single person; but the effectiveness of vaccines has been proven. Look up polio.
ZurdoDev wrote: That's not what I've heard people say that actually experienced this.
What people "say" about that is not relevant; statistics show it is. You come with hearsay here to deny statistics? 
ZurdoDev wrote: So you're the societal drain, huh?
I'm rather expensive to keep alive, yes 
ZurdoDev wrote: So says the CDC.
No, peer-reviewed science, from multiple countries; that's why most babies in developed countries get a mix of vaccines already. Of course, the great ZurdoDev knows better than all those scientists and basic biology that is thought in schools, because "it was on Facebook".
ZurdoDev wrote: So, you may not get the flu from the vaccine but you might die from it.
You're trying to blow that out of proportions. All of my medication is "dangerous"; but they help most people, while very, very few experience side effects. You're kind of insane to point to a minor risk in a cure. Even painkillers from the groceries come with a list of risks.
Go complain on Twatter or FB where people actually may believe your bullshit.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: You're trying to blow that out of proportions. All of my medication is "dangerous"; but they help most people, while very, very few experience side effects. You're kind of insane to point to a minor risk in a cure. Even painkillers from the groceries come with a list of risks.
Go complain on Twatter or FB where people actually may believe your bullshit.
Wow are you emotional. I made a factual statement copied off of the CDC site about how the vaccine could kill you and then you jumped to a conclusion that is so far off it's just hilarious to see how your brain works.
Sounds like you're taking way too many drugs.
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ZurdoDev wrote: Wow are you emotional. I made a factual statement copied off of the CDC site about how the vaccine could kill you
I don't give a f*** about a "CDC"; we don't have that in Europe. Not my problem.
ZurdoDev wrote: Sounds like you're taking way too many drugs.
I am. From painkillers and sleeping pills to immunosuppressants and flu-vaccines. And both painkillers and sleeping pills stopped working, so sometimes, I'm awake for five consecutive days, wondering if there's really something crawling on that wall.
Still, drugged up as I am, you still came back without arguments, just another personal attack. You can with the same you had; nothing, just some hearsay and no evidence that we could verify.
So; here be drugged me, borderline insane, and still coming with better arguments than you. And obviously winning the argument. How does that feel, knowing what your "educasion" cost?
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: you still came back without arguments
Quoting scientists is "without arguments"? OK buddy. Go back to bed.
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ZurdoDev wrote: Quoting scientists is "without arguments"
You did not quote any scientist.
Even if you did, one "scientist" means nada; it has to be reviewed and accepted by peers.
So you come up with nothing to back your Facebook hearsay?
ZurdoDev wrote: Go back to bed.
I am. You not worth the time.
No evidence.
No proof.
No f***.
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So much for you arguments and "discussion".
Did you look up polio?
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Did you look up polio?
No. Why would I?
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So don't; you might learn something about vaccines and what they did for us.
Statistics show they more effective than praying.
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You are hilarious. I copied a quote from the CDC site stating a fact, that there is possible danger in vaccines, and you respond by assuming I am an anti-vaxer, Trump loving, religious person. All from saying there are risks with vaccines.
Can you now see that you have a real problem?
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ZurdoDev wrote: You are hilarious. I copied a quote from the CDC site stating a fact, that there is possible danger in vaccines
Most treatments have a danger. Laxatives can even be deadly. And you are blowing up the danger beyond proportion.
ZurdoDev wrote: and you respond by assuming I am an anti-vaxer
You are, by your own words.
ZurdoDev wrote: Trump loving
Nothing wrong with that; the world is freaked out because he didn't start a war yet. Imagine that, a US president not starting a war. Has little to do with the subject.
ZurdoDev wrote: religious person
You are religious; you place belief before fact.
ZurdoDev wrote: Can you now see that you have a real problem?
Hehe, nice wordsmithing, but no; you are hammering on the fact that there "is" a risk. The risk is minor, the benefits obvious. You could just as well be whining about the dangers of painkillers that are available in the supermarket.
You came with hearsay, not evidence. And yes, your "CDC" may say there is a danger, because there's never a guarantee; even the painkillers in the supermarket have dangers. And it seriously takes an American to blow that out of proportion. If you that paranoid, medical aid in any form is not for you because any treatment is risky.
You never heard of iron lungs either? That's due to vaccines. And you should be taxed extra for that.
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ZurdoDev wrote: I stated a fact. How is that blowing up beyond proportion?
You did, cherry picking your fact to promote your view; not reality. You focus on a small risk, ignoring all benefits.
ZurdoDev wrote: You're too emotional and irrational to have a discussion with.
Again, just an ad-hominem because you out of arguments.
ZurdoDev wrote: ZurdoDev: "It's raining outside."
Eddy: "The world isn't going to flood!! You're blowing this all out of proportion!!  "
I hate wordsmiths.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: promote your view
And what is my view?
Eddy Vluggen wrote: ignoring all benefits.
Oh, you think that's my view? Nope, it's only in your head. You are arguing with me because of what only exists in your head. My original assessment of you has now been proven.
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ZurdoDev wrote: And what is my view?
Don't know, don't care; you come in with hearsay against evidence, so I don't care about your petty views.
ZurdoDev wrote: Oh, you think that's my view?
That was a factual statement, not a view. You choose to ignore the benefits of vaccines, despite years of evidence. You choose to ignore statistics.
Did you look up polio? Of course not, because you just here to prove you're right regardless of reality; ignoring all facts, wordsmithing your way out of it whenever cornered by facts, resorting to personal attacks when you run out of arguments.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: That was a factual statement, not a view. You choose to ignore the benefits of vaccines,
Nope, never happened. And if it indeed were a fact you would be able to prove it. So, go on, prove that I ignore the benefits or else admit you are trolling.
It's impossible for you to prove it because it never happened anywhere else other than inside your head.
Maybe you should cut back on some of the pills you are taking? You might be hallucinating.
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ZurdoDev wrote: Nope, never happened
There's a trail of quotes. I learned from the past.
ZurdoDev wrote: And if it indeed were a fact you would be able to prove it.
Quod Eddy Demonstrandum.
ZurdoDev wrote: So, go on, prove that I ignore the benefits or else admit you are trolling.
That's me with arguments, against you with hearsay?
ZurdoDev wrote: It's impossible for you to prove it because it never happened anywhere else other than inside your head.
Cannot prove it, and no intention on doing so either. Your idea of "proof" is if it fits your idea's.
ZurdoDev wrote: Maybe you should cut back on some of the pills you are taking? You might be hallucinating.
Again, a personal attack, but no argument. Wordsmithing your way out. Zopiclon and Tramadol, and a few days without sleeping.
And still beating you. I'd still be beating you on arguments on day five without sleep.
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