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I believe we all know that there would be a new norm post COVID. Microsoft already have shared they will allow WFH (no limit). What normal you think/forsee is going to be adopted as a base by most of the organizations?
I think it's going to be completely flexible. Few must haves on premise will be based on the position (as requirement), rest all will have flexibility to work full time WFH or in a mixed mode (few days in office + few days WFH).
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Funny timing...
Sandeep Mewara wrote: Microsoft already have shared they will allow WFH
I just got an email from Microsoft with the subject "Bring employees back on site—safely and confidently"
People forget pretty quickly. The "new norm" will look just like the old norm. For me, norm hasn't really changed.
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ZurdoDev wrote: Funny timing...
ZurdoDev wrote: I just got an email from Microsoft with the subject "Bring employees back on site—safely and confidently"
Does that mean never ending WFH is temporary? (whatever that means!)
ZurdoDev wrote: For me, norm hasn't really changed.
You were WFH earlier too?
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Sandeep Mewara wrote: You were WFH earlier too?
1 or 2 days a week. We never closed our business so my work has not been any different.
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Probably unrelated to Corona, more likely some wonk "up there" read a blog...
The rumor now (along with sixteen character passwords) is that developers won't be issued laptops anymore, we'll be issued VDIs -- which we'll need to access from our own systems at home. No way am I putting work-related stuff (VPN etc.) on my personal system.
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I though AI and automation had already taken over and there was no need to work
Caveat Emptor.
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I have never been too keen on working from home as I like to be around colleagues.
However after 6 months there are some parts of it that I like:
Anecdotally, given the following I hope I get more of a chance to work from home in the future:
I can have complete silence when I need it.
Being a lark I can start my work early and end early(today I started work at 5:45 am)
I don't run the risk of being tailgated on my way in to work and either being crashed into(has happened twice) or getting to work feeling a little stressed from the commute.
My productivity has increased because of all of the above.
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modified 18-Oct-20 5:30am.
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GuyThiebaut wrote: I have never been too keen on working from home as I like to be around colleagues.
Me neither. It's much easier to bate co-workers when you are in the office!  I didn't think I would adapt. Funny how it genuinely does become the "new normal".
GuyThiebaut wrote: I can have complete silence when I need it.
And play the music I want - very loud!
Also, there's a major benefit of not having a 2 hour, each way, commute - and saving nearly £8K on rail fares. Which definitely covers my additional electricity/heating costs.
Our company are being totally flexible about how we will work post-Covid. Myself and most of my colleagues are all planning to make only occasional trips into the office when this is all over.
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Yep. I've been doing it for the best part of 20 years: the "30 second stroll" as a commute is a major benefit, in terms of stress, wasted time, and cost.
The other benefits you don't mention are the lack of colds, flu, D&V bugs, etc. from colleagues kids getting to you; the "paper trail" that reduces the incidence of idiots disturbing you; the improvement in coffee / food quality.
Provided you maintain a sensible attitude, productivity can be considerably higher - get lazy and it'll drop like a stone! 
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OriginalGriff wrote: get lazy and it'll drop like a stone
One of the things I did was to add the BBC news site and twitter to my hosts file, on my work laptop, so that I can't distract myself when I am working at home.
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Working from home is mostly seen by my employer as a temporary expedient, suitable only for the COVID-19 emergency. Even now, assuming that one isn't in one of the high-risk groups, one is expected to go into work twice or three times a week.
Personally, I find it easier to work in my office at work than at home. My co-workers, for the most part, disturb me less than my wife and kids, and the commute isn't too bad (~30 minutes each way).
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What's interesting is it seems companies are saving money if people work from home. Why few are still asked to come to office?
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Not all offices are non-essential:
- Laboratory equipment is not easily portable to home offices
- Servers (containing proprietary information) are stored on-site. Putting such stuff in the "cloud" would be a breach of security, and in some cases - a breach of contract or law.
- ...
I concede that almost all of the administrative work and some of the software development could be done away from the office. I suspect that part of the requirement for "work from office" is so those who are required to work from the office don't feel singled out.
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Daniel Pfeffer wrote: Personally, I find it easier to work in my office at work than at home. My co-workers, for the most part, disturb me less than my wife and kids, and the commute isn't too bad (~30 minutes each way).
+1. Only that for me the conmute is around 40 mins / way.
In addition, my work place is better equipped than my desk at home. (But it is going to change soon)
Daniel Pfeffer wrote: Even now, assuming that one isn't in one of the high-risk groups, one is expected to go into work twice or three times a week.
I find this mixed system the best, I am doing 2 days home and 3 days office. The only thing I would find even better is to have those 2 days together (thrusday and Friday) but that would mean too long wait time if something happens on wednesday where I have to be present to repair it (i.e. PLC in the field), that's why I am usually doing Monday+Thursday or Tuesday+Friday at home, in worst case it is a "Ok, I will take a look tomorrow" (next work day)
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it sounds great. I work online mostly and new features seem to be quite useful
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Yep. This is after Microsoft released two "studies" that said WFH is bad for employees and then followed that up with a WFH policy that basically mandated that employees go back into the office.
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I work for a small company (currently 25 employees) and was hired after the COVID crisis. As soon as I could, I worked in the office, mostly bare (1 tech, 4 receptionists, another programmer hired the same day as I was and myself) and as safe as home. My fellow programmer caught COVID and was out for more than a month, but my wife works in a nursing home and my risk is roughly equal.
Beginning Monday, the new norm will become half the employees return to work Monday/Wednesday with the other half working Tuesday/Thursday. The office is packed with air purifiers, the front door is guarded by 2 infrared thermometers and masks are required if you leave your desk. Hand sanitizer bottles and soft wipes festoon every counter and the office now has a scheduled "deep clean" on a regular basis.
If you show high on an entry thermometer (100° F), an alarm goes off and you are required to immediately leave, return home, log in as sick and get tested. Failure to comply can result in immediate termination. Acrylic dividers separate people and a special key has been supplied for keying in entry codes, opening doors, etc. The shifts alternating days are in every other cube. All in all, every known precaution other than anti-covid architecture has been taken.
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that will definitely lower the cost for the owner.
not just the bill for electricity, equipment, rent... also no more injury at work.
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Sandeep Mewara wrote: I believe we all know that there would be a new norm post COVID.
I hope along with you that there will be a "post COVID".
Sandeep Mewara wrote: Microsoft already have shared they will allow WFH (no limit). What normal you think/forsee is going to be adopted as a base by most of the organizations?
Sounds like an ad.
Offices are specialized in making you work and supporting you to do so; home has distractions. You not as productive, and not as healthy. You need germs.
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I'm being told I should get a flu shot. There is no "shot" for the virus. Do you think the virus will step aside while I go out and get my flu shot? I don't think so either; so I continue with the PPE, etc. .... sooooo, why the flu shot?
(Like taking an Aspirin when you're bleeding which is even worse than it sounds).
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It's a precaution, is all.
Yes, the Covid protection should mean that flu doesn't get a hold this year - but we've all seen how well they are working in England, France, ...
And the last thing health services need is a Covid outbreak alongside the usual pressures the flu puts on them over winter!
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I had a similar query. Our organisation has asked us to reach to a doctor and get flu-shots!
Never had it any of the past years, should I this time? Probably I will pass. For now.
modified 14-Oct-20 14:52pm.
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I've never gotten a flu shot. I may have had the flu a few years ago - not quite sure. My immune systems pretty serious. With COVID, that's not necessarily a good thing.
I've the same question - and in my case, due to a medication I take, I can not take "live vaccine" of any kind (or shouldn't). The flu shot's a 50/50 thing - that's the target as it's of necessity done by guess-work at what will be going around. The record's been pretty poor these last few years. The recommendation is that the flu shot will protect you and thus you'll not be confused between COVID and the flu. Statistically, not so much.
I'd definitely take the COVID vaccine . . . after it's been used a while on the general population. No different than I do with new versions of software and operating systems. Awaiting that first service pack. Fortunately, at least in my perception, the drug manufacturers are doing their due diligence and not trying to meet any political deadline. I hate putting this near-soapbox remark, but saying it would be ready just before the election, whether true or not, was one of the stupidest remarks that could possibly have been made - destroying trust, and rightly so.
Per the flu shot? I'm leaning towards it this time - but also because I'm getting up in years. Not yet decided.
Most PPE (masks) won't help much against the flu since it's mode of entry is via mucus membranes (eyes, nose, etc.) via surface-to-hand-to-face. Gloves would work - but only if you take them on and off, constantly, or can control yourself totally whilst out in the world. Having someone sneeze in your face won't do you any good, either.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: I'd definitely take the COVID vaccine . . . after it's been used a while
Can you get used vaccines on Craigslist? 
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote: Most PPE (masks) won't help much against the flu since it's mode of entry is via mucus membranes
The main mode of infection for the flu is via droplets that you breathe. Just like for the Covid.
So yes, a properly used mask would reduce the risk of infection. Not eliminate it.
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