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I'm not confused by it. It's actually fairly easy for me to understand, considering what it does.
And what it does is complicated, any way you slice it. For starters, it relies on a LALR algorithm which is confusing no matter how you break it down. LALR is just complicated.
Furthermore on top of that, I have a non-deterministic worker that finds all possible trees for a parse based on an ambiguous grammar. Again, it's just complicated, but it can be simplified a bit, unlike LALR, and I had simplified it
Finally, it has to take all of this and generate code in most major .NET languages (usually C# or VB.NET)
It's just a complicated project. I avoid "clever" as well when I don't have to, but some of the features my generator has are implemented cleverly because the alternative is far larger in terms of code, and slower to execute.
Edit: Just so you know I'm not blowing smoke, here's an article on what it does: GLR Parsing in C#: How to Use The Most Powerful Parsing Algorithm Known[^]
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In my case, the complication arises from the number of agents acting on a variety of time scales. We build commercial ink-jet printing systems. At one scale, you have a 40,000 foot roll of paper that may take up to an hour to be printed through the machine. At the opposite end of the scale, you are generating and tracking over a billion drops of ink per second, each measuring 6-9pL in volume. In between, that paper is moving through the press at 17 feet per second and a user navigating a touch screen. The agents I mentioned include PLC's, custom processors and hardware managing the press, the actual ink-jet, image quality cameras, and system timing. Our product consists of a UI application and several Windows services which divvy-up responsibilities. All of them including the UI are heavily multithreaded.
My point in all this is that complexity in a given project can arise for any number of reasons. My experience has been that the key to managing that complexity is through professionalism and craft. I'm afraid your work hits something of a nerve with me. I've had a couple unfortunate experiences with folks whose work was more computer science than engineering, and had a generally low opinion of coders in the trenches.
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I feel I need to clarify that I don't have a low opinion of coders in the trenches. I used to be one.
That said, my code I post here isn't bizdev code, or even team developed. I code for the situation I'm in. My professional business software source doesn't look like the source I code in my free time where I can make it look and perform how *I* want to. It takes me less work to do it my way and I find the freedom of it liberating.
I think it's weird that you consider my code more CS than engineering, since I've never taken a CS course in my life. 
I learned in the field.
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honey the codewitch wrote: I think it's weird that you consider my code more CS than engineering
My bad. I'm stereotyping your code based on the subject matter: parsers and the surrounding ecosystem. That area of expertise has always seemed to be dominated by academics, in my experience.
I occasionally do work on the side from my M-F/8-4 job. One job was for a university professor who used graduate students as slave labor. They needed a multithreaded app to setup and control some hardware they were developing for sale outside the university. There was quite the culture shock when I started submitting code to them. They were used to using and writing code that started with the bare minimum necessary to perform some function, and then layered error handling and UI on top. The notion of architecting a solution in advance that kept these considerations in mind was utterly foreign to them.
The more noteworthy job was software to run a prototype machine. An intern at the company had written hardware control primitives that were quite good. A scientist wrote code that performed the detailed mathematics required to execute the machine's actual function. The scientist was a good mathematician, but a terrible programmer. I was hired to write a test bed application to let the company demonstrate the hardware to their customer. I wrote UI and integrated the intern's hardware primitives in short order. Integrating the mathematics was a disaster. I routinely set the warning level on my compilers at maximum just ensure that the stupid mistakes are caught. The scientist's code wouldn't compile clean, even at warning level zero. Lots of ill-advised pointer arithmetic, a global misunderstanding of type casting, random switching between float vs. double, a firm belief that array indices in C started at 1 (see the pointer arithmetic), and so on. I tried to work around the problems for a while, but finally gave up.
The scientist wouldn't give me a copy of his design notes for the mathematics, so I finally went to the head of the project for them. Between those notes and reverse-engineering his code, I was able to replace the mad scientist code with something a lot more robust. Interestingly this was one time in my career where my courses in numerical methods in college really came in handy. I replaced some of the scientist's integration and differentiation code with other algorithms to address precision issues. I even found some operational errors in the design as I coded the replacement. Since this was a prototype and a demonstrator, it wasn't too hard to make the code switchable to demonstrate the original mathematics versus mine. Since the original math crashed the app well over half the time, or took minutes to produce a result, and my code took a couple of seconds and never crashed, it made an impression.
The funny part of the whole thing was that I didn't know anything about the problem domain that the math was being used in. I just knew when the syntax of the operations being performed didn't make sense (multiplying a 5x7 matrix by a 4x3, for example), or that the order of operations was likely to cause an overflow or underflow, or that units conversions were not being handled correctly.
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Gary R. Wheeler wrote: I'm stereotyping your code based on the subject matter: parsers and the surrounding ecosystem. That area of expertise has always seemed to be dominated by academics, in my experience.
It is, but only because I never went to school for software development, so now that I have time, I'm picking up on the CS fundamentals I never learned. It's not to make my code more academic, but it's to round out my knowledge.
Gary R. Wheeler wrote: The scientist wouldn't give me a copy of his design notes for the mathematics, so I finally went to the head of the project for them. Between those notes and reverse-engineering his code, I was able to replace the mad scientist code with something a lot more robust.
That doesn't surprise me actually. This might be my failing in assuming code produced by academics has no place in production, but that's where I'm at and how I feel. We may even share that opinion.
Still, I don't want to be too hard on them, and I think being able to give your algorithms formal mathematical treatment has its place, especially with really complicated algorithms.
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When I look back into code I wrote in the past, I always admire the me-from-the-past. Elegant, lean, well documented. But then, I am a really good coder, this does not come as a surprise.
* struggles to remain serious *
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In all seriousness, I've been told I'm good before, but I figure as long as there is room for improvement I'd rather think of myself as still learning - I've also been told that humility is the seed of wisdom.
A lot of my code is pretty lean though, and sometimes elegant. My documentation is spotty when left to my own devices but I'm getting better about it (again).
That's not to say I haven't written a lot of WTF code. In fact, my first attempt at doing anything non-trivial in terms of an application is often garbage. I even plan for that. I consider my first attempt a draft. It's that bad sometimes.
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honey the codewitch wrote: I consider my first attempt a draft.
The legendary Fred Brooks, in The Mythical Man-Month (1975), p116: The management question, therefore, is not whether to build a pilot system and throw it away. You will do that. The only question is whether to plan in advance to build a throwaway, or to promise to deliver the throwaway to customers. Seen this way, the answer is much clearer. Delivering that throwaway to customers buys time, but it only does so at the cost of agony for the user, distraction for the builders while they do the redesign, and a bad reputation for the product that the best redesign will find hard to live down.
Hence, plan to throw one away; you will, anyhow.
Ain't that the truth!
Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012
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I used to have a copy of that book.
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Many times I've really got into programming with C# Linq or TSQL and then later wondered what the heck it all does.
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No. It is senile dementia.
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I have done this many times and am glad to see someone else post the same scenario. I've been utterly amazed looking back that I was able to be "in the zone" as you say, and whip out something so complex.
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For sure. This is a joy. For me, it is usually the things that took months that I did by myself, products of immersion.
The other side of this is when someone asks me about something that I did 8 years ago with the expectation that I understand it like I wrote it yesterday. Suddenly I feel like a newbie in my own world, but then it comes flowing back.
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Yep, been there. Months later - years later as well. And yes, you wonder what kind of zone you were in, and whether you can be there again. To me, that was one of the greatest feelings (I’m retired now).
Cheers!
Time is the differentiation of eternity devised by man to measure the passage of human events.
- Manly P. Hall
Mark
Just another cog in the wheel
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I've made it a habit to explain every non-trivial part of my code in detail, using very_long_expressive_names, and multiline comments to explain how I arrived at the algorithm or formula. I do that for my future self, most of all, but occasionally my coworkers benefit from it, too. For that reason, most of the time, it is my future me who thanks my past self for spending that extra time when I have to look at that code months or years later!
With a sufficient level of explanation, that work looks a lot less like magic, so I typically end up with 'what the hell was I thinking?' more often than 'boy, what a brilliant idea' 
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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I have been able to maintain the thing after picking it up 7 months later, so I'm able to understand it.
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the zone is a real thing. I've also produced some amazing things in a short amount of time when in the zone. I still have some of that code running 20 years later
But the opposite happens once in awhile, and I'm like WTF did I write? it works, but it shouldn't.
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No it's not fun for me, especially since most of the code I revisit was done more than 7 years ago, was in C++ or assembler and if I don't remember everything based on the comments, then it was badly commented.
Considering the uncountable number of hacks that went into game engines of that period, astonishment is quite frequent but it's also like going back and judging yourself from experience (you've since figured out more elegant algorithms or hacks)
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Citrus fruits – Lime sorry I hurt your peelings.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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That's pretty good, but I bet MichelTangelo could do better. I'm outta here before this turns Ugli.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
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You have a certain zest for this.
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Go Mango
I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27.
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You have to be thick-skinned to handle this. To get to the core of it.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Why I darrion reply to this post, even against my core values, pits me against common sense. Still, it's not time to gripe about rancid puns.
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Ahhh! Puns with a peel. I seed what you did there!
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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