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OriginalGriff wrote: ... and he's been drinking McVomits coffee*.
You don't go to MacDonalds for the cuisine. You go there because it is easy. Not the kind of coffee that you surprise guests with, so exact the same quality as their food and completely in line with expectations.
On a cold and rainy day, I prefer to wait with their muck than without it. At a Starbucks I don't have the patience to explain what a plain coffee is. Don't bother asking if they drink that crap in their own canteen; both MacDonalds and Starbucks hire youngsters who drink soda's and have no idea how coffee is supposed to taste (outside of bitter).
OriginalGriff wrote: * Don't ask. It's a long story.
Let me make it a short one; MacDonalds as a restaurant is rather successful and profitable. I have never seen our local one without customers, ever. It is not to my liking, but also not going to M$ it by calling it a McVomit. That's the long story; like a hobbyist PC enthusiast blaming Microsoft.
If he was serious about his coffee he'd be taking a thermos-can with him. And yes, on occasion, I do. Inside the jacket, one liter.
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FYI, the link in your .sig goes to a site that Malwarebytes blocks because of a trojan.
Then again, the link is to a tool that purports to convert C# to VB, so maybe it's intentional. 
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Greg Utas wrote: FYI, the link in your .sig goes to a site that Malwarebytes blocks because of a trojan.
Thanks for the info, will remove it then.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: At a Starbucks I don't have the patience to explain what a plain coffee is
I went there once, asked for my coffee black, I got the 'deer in headlights look', it was an awkward 30 seconds before I explained what it was. Quite frankly I'd just as soon go to McVomit... 
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Haven't been there for a long time, but it was always a buttpain to be behind some special idiot who was ordering a special coffee, with special instructions, that took forever to make.
Edit: In Canada, Tim Horton's is a popular donut/coffee chain. Some people order triple-triples and two-by-fours, meaning triple cream and triple sugar or double of one and quadruple of the other. No wonder there are so many people waddling around.
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jeron1 wrote: I went there once
I been there three times; got thrown out of the place once.
So, I take my coffee with me. Not possible at the airport, so rum then as an alternative.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: MacDonalds as a restaurant is rather successful and profitable.
Have you seen how much they charge franchisees to operate one of their stores? It's no wonder McDonalds Corp makes a ton of money.
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David Crow wrote: Have you seen how much they charge franchisees to operate one of their stores?
I don't care? It is obviously worth it, otherwise people would not invest into it. Franchises are never free. Those that can't survive paying it, close. Simple as that.
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Capitalism. The American ideal. MacD's is viewed here as everything that the US represents.
David Crow wrote: It's no wonder McDonalds Corp makes a ton of money.
No wonder at all; the consumer votes with their money.
And regardless of what country I'm in, it always tastes the same. It's a reliable fatty tasteless burger.
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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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McDs is not a restaurant, its a sales job.
I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27.
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Mike Hankey wrote: McDs is not a restaurant
The pricing of their food equals one though. Can get a lot of groceries at the same price.
Mike Hankey wrote: its a sales job.
Worked for Apple.
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Somebody's got to pay for the franchise wide remodel.
Ain't gonna be me, haven't been to a McDs in many man years.
I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27.
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Mike Hankey wrote: Somebody's got to pay for the franchise wide remodel.
Fiat. We pay with promises, and print more of them each day; there's enough for everyone. As for the remodel, I don't notice it; the only thing I noticed is how you nowadays place an order by touching some board and choosing your "meal", paying without touching the pad and then waiting for your number. The number comes up, you go to the designated spot where they hand out the food and present your number. No word was spoken in that entire transaction, not even speaking when receiving the food.
I'm not social, but MacDonalds managed to become more anti-social than me. And still, the place is packed. We had to wait before the touch-board, because there was a line. No socializing, bad overpriced food, and there was a demand that my (superb!) local Greek restaurant would envy.
Mike Hankey wrote: Ain't gonna be me, haven't been to a McDs in many man years.
It'll be people like me. I don't like going there particularly, nor do I like their food.
..but she likes their milkshakes and the french fries. Her brothers' kids like it (we drag 'em along sometimes) So, like Brussels sprouts, I eat it as the rest and clean my plate as an example (cheeseburgers, they acceptable but salty). Not going to explain them how Mickeysoft the "restaurant" is and how there's better places. Doubt that the kids would like the fatty meats that good restaurants offer. We can't take the brat-pack to my favorite Greek, but Maccy accepts them without blinking.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: bad overpriced food
Not for me to ever defend Mickey D's, but if you can eat something that's already made for you, ready to go, and can be had for cheaper than what Mickey D's sell its own food for...I have to question what that food is made of.
Bad, yes, but overpriced...? I can't think of any local restaurant that can beat them on price. And I probably wouldn't want to eat there either.
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dandy72 wrote: and can be had for cheaper than what Mickey D's sell its own food for...I have to question what that food is made of.
Excuse me, but even I can make better food and cheaper. I'm not a great cook either. Got a smoke alarm near the oven to prove so.
dandy72 wrote: Bad, yes, but overpriced...? I can't think of any local restaurant that can beat them on price.
You're invited. The food they serve is cheap, you pay for their name and brand and the predictable service. If you can't find a cheaper local restaurant, you're comparing them to one - go to a bistro or food-cart; get more quality for less money and a lot more fair comparison. Premade-reheated, in bulk.
I was "a bit pissed" when I got the bill for four. It ain't cheap; minced meat and potato's aren't that expensive until they carry that logo. For fourty euro's I got a mountain of minced meat and potatoes. Even without mincing it myself, simply pre-packaged. Brine the potatoes. Season the burgers with beef-stock. Buy cheap sweet ketchup and mayo that lasts for years, instead of making your own mayo. Add some extra sugar to the mayo. Done.
Overpriced. And we still go there, because the kids like it. And no use in telling them we do better either. They be wanting MacDonalds.
Or KFC.
"Mickey D", eh? Another branch of Mickeysoft, I guess?
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I must say, I'm a bit confused by your response. It seems like you start off saying you can make better food for cheaper, which without hesitation I'll agree with, because (I'm assuming) you're not running an actual restaurant or, y'know...a franchise. Then you say "I'm invited"...to what? Your restaurant? I'm "comparing them to one"? Is "them", here, McDonald's, and "one" is your restaurant? Sorry for being so hung up on this, but that paragraph is really unclear to me.
Not a fair comparison either if you're bringing in a food cart. I wasn't sure what you were talking about, but wikipedia pretty much confirms what I suspected by describing it as "a mobile kitchen set up on the street". Again, the operational costs are apples and oranges. Rent? Employees? Electricity? Parking?
I also had to look up "bistro", because the only places in my area I know about that describe themselves as such are all ridiculously expensive places. Places that only come up in conversations to make fun of. Like--not exaggerating--8 times the price of a McDonald's meal. Sure, the food's infinitely better, no doubt, but that not that I was pointing out.
And in the end, it might just be a regional thing. I can pretty much guarantee that in my area, if you ask any random bystander where you can eat out for cheap, the typical first response will be McDonald's. There's one local, apples-to-apples place I can think of that might compare in prices, but the food is garbage. Which was my point: you get what you pay for.
But again, my intent was not to recommend them, promote them, or advocate what they sell.
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dandy72 wrote: It seems like you start off saying you can make better food for cheaper, which without hesitation I'll agree with, because (I'm assuming) you're not running an actual restaurant or, y'know...a franchise.
Because I need not spend money on advertising; groceries are cheap. Learned to cook in the last years, partially due to CodeProject.
dandy72 wrote: "one" is your restaurant
I'm not a restaurant. But yes, if you near, you're invited for dinner and you can judge the difference. Even if you ask for Chicken MacNuggets.
dandy72 wrote: Not a fair comparison either if you're bringing in a food cart.
True; a food cart is hard work, where working at MacDonalds means emptying the fryer if it goes "beep, beep". And customers at a food cart not as patient.
dandy72 wrote: I also had to look up "bistro", because the only places in my area I know about that describe themselves as such are all ridiculously expensive places. Places that only come up in conversations to make fun of. Like--not exaggerating--8 times the price of a McDonald's meal.
A bistro here is a tiny restaurant that serves simple meals at simple prices. Just a step up from a foodcart and hardly special.
dandy72 wrote: And in the end, it might just be a regional thing
By the sound of it, yes; a bistro is a lunchroom, serving fancy sandwiches, chilli con carne and some salads. Maybe a premade frozen schnitzel, but that's it. "Bistro" don't mean fancy dinner-restaurant, it means cheap lunch.
dandy72 wrote: I can pretty much guarantee that in my area, if you ask any random bystander where you can eat out for cheap, the typical first response will be McDonald's.
 Our "friture" has half a grilled chicken for the price of their nuggets. We near Belgium, so fries are expected to be cheap, tasty and plenty, not a tiny carton holding a few.
dandy72 wrote: But again, my intent was not to recommend them, promote them, or advocate what they sell.
My intent was to dismantle the Mickeysoft idea; regardless of pricing, she likes it. And a lot of other people too judging by the queue. Even if overpriced in my mind, one of her favourites, along with a lot of other people.
Like an Apple-laptop.
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All of that confirms one thing: You're saying you can eat for a lot less money than a McDonald's meal. Well, obviously.
I was saying a restaurant (and please, let's make it a comparable restaurant, for a fair comparison) that sells its food for cheaper than McDonald's can't be serving top-quality, premium food and still be making enough money to cover the overhead of running said restaurant.
The very first sentence in your response above indicates you're completely avoiding that point. Really, I'm still curious to know what your cheapest meal (eating out) comes out to be, and is it any cheaper than McDonald's? And I do mean in an establishment that has a street address, where you can drive there, park your car, walk in, and eat at a table. Any other type of comparison is nonsense.
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dandy72 wrote: I was saying a restaurant (and please, let's make it a comparable restaurant, for a fair comparison) that sells its food for cheaper than McDonald's can't be serving top-quality, premium food and still be making enough money to cover the overhead of running said restaurant.
Did I mention my local Greek? 
dandy72 wrote: The very first sentence in your response above indicates you're completely avoiding that point. Really, I'm still curious to know what your cheapest meal (eating out) comes out to be, and is it any cheaper than McDonald's? And I do mean in an establishment that has a street address, where you can drive there, park your car, walk in, and eat at a table. Any other type of comparison is nonsense.
Parking is hardly relevant to food; you can't park anywhere near our local MacDonalds.
But yes, the local Greek allows a walk in and eating at a table.
Did I mention a "friture"? We got those places all over. Half a chicken for the price of your MacNuggets.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Did I mention my local Greek?
This is the most specific thing you've mentioned since my first reply in this thread.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Parking is hardly relevant to food; you can't park anywhere near our local MacDonalds.
It's very relevant when it's a cost incurred to run a restaurant. Eventually that cost finds its way into the final price of what it is you're getting from them.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: But yes, the local Greek allows a walk in and eating at a table.
Did I mention a "friture"? We got those places all over. Half a chicken for the price of your MacNuggets.
Good on you. We have none of those here.
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dandy72 wrote: This is the most specific thing you've mentioned since my first reply in this thread.
Ah; true - mentioned the Greek only in a reply to someone else in this thread.
dandy72 wrote: It's very relevant when it's a cost incurred to run a restaurant. Eventually that cost finds its way into the final price of what it is you're getting from them.
Only if you drive there specifically; I've got no car and no drivers' license. We eat there before or after the movies, so we already at a three minute walk away. The train-ticket isn't part of the final price or cost of the food; it part of the cost of a night out. Where we eat doesn't change the fact that we need to pay for the train to see the movie.
dandy72 wrote: Good on you. We have none of those here.
That's weird; it's cheap fatty fast-food. Belgians' made an art of it.
The Dutch wikipedia on fries is a bit longer than the English version, guess four times the size; so yes, a "local" obsession. That local is my complete country and our neighbors, but on the other side of the ocean they'd still call it local. And potatoes may not be as plentiful and cheap there as I imagined.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: dandy72 wrote: It's very relevant when it's a cost incurred to run a restaurant. Eventually that cost finds its way into the final price of what it is you're getting from them.
Only if you drive there specifically; I've got no car and no drivers' license. We eat there before or after the movies, so we already at a three minute walk away. The train-ticket isn't part of the final price or cost of the food; it part of the cost of a night out. Where we eat doesn't change the fact that we need to pay for the train to see the movie.
Missing my point again: If a restaurant owns and has to pay for a parking lot, that cost becomes part of the price you pay for what they sell you. Whether you drove there yourself in a car or not. This whole thread (or rather, the part I've specifically been discussing since the start) is all about the cost of a meal sold to you as a restaurant patron.
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dandy72 wrote: Missing my point again: If a restaurant owns and has to pay for a parking lot, that cost becomes part of the price you pay for what they sell you.
Big if and unfair as I showed with the example.
dandy72 wrote: This whole thread (or rather, the part I've specifically been discussing since the start) is all about the cost of a meal sold to you as a restaurant patron.
And getting there is your own problem, and not part of the price. Whining about parking. With your reasoning, you'd add the price of your clothing to going there.
I'm only going to get worse. Your choice and you been warned.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Whining about parking. With your reasoning, you'd add the price of your clothing to going there.
I wasn't talking about you paying for parking, I was talking about the restaurant owning a parking lot, and them paying for it is reflected in their operating cost, and thus the price they charge you for the meal they're going to sell you. You pay the same for the meal whether you got there by car (and used their "free" parking lot) or got there by walking.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: I'm only going to get worse. Your choice and you been warned.
Clearly. It's called trolling.
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