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PIEBALDconsult wrote: You are obviously part of the problem.
You are probably right but I'd love to hear why you think that. Otherwise, you prove the point of my post that everyone is being driven by pure emotion and no logic right now.
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Hold your hands to your face and spit ... maybe that will tweak something.
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Gerry Schmitz wrote: Hold your hands to your face and spit
Oh my gosh. Can you imagine the freak-outs if someone did that in public?
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As the other two have said: it's a balancing act: Masks do work - the research shows that - but they aren't the same as Social Distancing.
Masks are altruistic: they protect others from the mask wearer (who may not even know they are infectious).
SD protects both the wearer and the others, to an extent, but can be defeated by poor ventilation and air flow. Very fine infected water droplets can "hang" in relatively still air and be breathed in as you move down an "empty aisle" for example.
My wearing a mask reduces the "fine mist" of virus particles you might walk through later, even if you are at a good social distance.
It isn't a "choice" issue in either sense: you can't rely on one or the other for reasonable protection; you shouldn't be allowed to choose to walk round infecting others with a potentially lethal desease.
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OriginalGriff wrote: you can't rely on one or the other for reasonable protection;
Exactly.
OriginalGriff wrote: you shouldn't be allowed to choose to walk round infecting others with a potentially lethal desease.
Why not? We were allowed to prior to Covid-19.
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ZurdoDev wrote: Exactly.
You know what I said: taking it out of context is like taking bible bits out of context: two can play at that game!
ZurdoDev wrote: Why not? We were allowed to prior to Covid-19.
And just perhaps if we hadn't, it wouldn't have killed over half million people already?
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OriginalGriff wrote: taking it out of context
How did I take it out of context? I agreed with you.  Should I have disagreed? 
OriginalGriff wrote: it wouldn't have killed over half million people already?
Are you suggesting masks should be worn forever now? Because there always has been and always will be the chance of you carrying a lethal disease around. It's a serious question.
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Quote: Exactly.
Exactly what? Are you saying because it doesn't work 100% of the time we shouldn't bother? That's just plain stupidity - unfortunately there are a lot of stupid people out there that think this way.
Social distancing is the same, it's not 100% (it couldn't be) but it's better than nothing.
We have forgotten the most effective protection (both for others and oneself), stay at home - still not 100% because of those disease-ridden delivery guys (sorry delivery guys, you are doing a great job, just making a point).
As OG said, it's a statistics game.
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� Forogar � wrote: Exactly what? Are you saying because it doesn't work 100% of the time we shouldn't bother?
No. I agreed. You people read too much into what I say. Stop adding your own bias in.
My original point was that masks are not the "end-all" that many have claimed they were. And to enforce social distancing proves that masks aren't the "end-all". That's all.
� Forogar � wrote: stay at home
We had a coworker come to work for an entire day with symptoms. Her manager finally realized it and sent her home. She tested positive. No one else in the office got it even though she likely had it on her for at least a couple of days. On a scale of 1-10 of apocolyptic viruses, this thing is a 2. It's just not as bad as everyone wants to make it. If people are freaking out this much about a 2, what will happen when we have a 7 or 8? People will die just from anxiety. 
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Quote: No one else in the office got it
Cube walls are amazingly absorbent!
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� Forogar � wrote: Cube walls are amazingly absorbent
Possibly, but they are in an open office area. 
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...yet another blow against the pernicious "open office"!
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True.
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ZurdoDev wrote: On a scale of 1-10 of apocolyptic viruses, this thing is a 2.
Says who? Using what metrics?
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David Crow wrote: Says who? Using what metrics?
Me and my brain. I'm open to debate though.
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ZurdoDev wrote: No. I agreed.
Then you should have said: "Agree"
ZurdoDev wrote: You people read too much into what I say. Stop adding your own bias in.
As you would have never used the "exactly" just in the other way around, to remark your point instead of agreeing with someone.
Don't forget we are programmers and we don't have the visual communication. Words might be way too vague depending on the context.
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Nelek wrote: Words might be way too vague depending on the context.
definitely true.
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Whether to close an establishment, or enforce the wearing of masks and social distancing within it, should be up to the owner of each establishment. People can then decide whether its rules are acceptable to them by choosing to enter the establishment or not.
Instead we have one-size-fits-all solutions mandated by the usual control freaks who have no skin in the game.
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So true.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Masks do work - the research shows that
The problem I have is that I also hear scientists speak out and say that there is no conclusive research that shows that in the general population masks have any effect.
The UK government does not reveal the discussions or evidence on which they make decisions.
We had previously been told that in the general population masks have no effect, then suddenly we are informed that we need to wear masks.
What is the evidence that drove this sudden and radical change of policy?
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
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GuyThiebaut wrote: What is the evidence that drove this sudden and radical change of policy?
The politician's syllogism:
We must do something.
This is something.
Therefore, we must do this.
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ZurdoDev wrote: It seems that if you are saying we still need to stay away from each other even with masks on you're really saying that masks don't work.
Your logic is flawed.
Masks work; not to protect the one who wears it, but the people around it. During surgery, the doctor wears a mask to protect you, not him.
And even if you were under the assumption that masks protect you; there's this advice to not shake hands and not to touch your face - breathing in the virus is not the only way it enters the body.
I keep hearing the argument that masks don't work, even from the government here. So we have no requirement to wear them, while the countries around us made them mandatory.
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You misunderstood my point. Masks help. But they do not "work" as a solution, which many people have claimed masks are a solution.
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ZurdoDev wrote: You misunderstood my point.
Your original point was rather clear.
ZurdoDev wrote: But they do not "work" as a solution, which many people have claimed masks are a solution.
No one made that claim.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Your original point was rather clear.
I don't think you understood it. I wonder if you can repeat it back in your own words, just to show that you did understand it.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: No one made that claim.
Tons of people have made that claim. Not sure where you have been.
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