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I'm shocked that "the usual crowd" isn't offended by it. I wonder what they think it really means?
TTFN - Kent
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This happened to me 15 years ago developing a distributed system. Primary control unit was the master, the others were slaves. Changed to master and expansion units. It's all about symbolism over substance.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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If you have a problem with this then what is wrong with YOU?
Why are you so butt-hurt about some people wanting to use different terminology? That says far more about you than it does about them.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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PC gone mad and the people wanting to effect this are so precious that they are offended by a word. A bunch of snowflakes.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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I'd say its about 50/50 for the topic at hand.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Rick York wrote: Why are you so butt-hurt about some people wanting to use different terminology?
If it was just "some people" preferring to use a different term then that wouldn't be an issue. But when a change is effectively forced upon everybody then there should be a decent reason to justify it. It's not like changes like this are easy and free. What about any 3rd party documentation on the process of using GitHub, or any website tutorial on how to use a "master" repo?
From the linked article:
Quote: "Such terminology not only reflects racist culture, but also serves to reinforce, legitimize, and perpetuate it,"
Seriously, how does anybody get from the word "master" to "racism"?
Even if GitHub explicitly made a statement along the lines of "we use the terms master and slave, because the process reminds us of how people used to enslave other people" - that still wouldn't even be racist.
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I can not believe this has to be explained to you. For you to argue against this means you are an active contributor to the problem.
I think this conversation has crossed the line of acceptability. Both this site's and mine. I'm out.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Rick York wrote: I can not believe this has to be explained to you
So, explain it then?
If you think I am some sort of "ignorant racist" then here is your opportunity to fix me. Your chance to make one less "active contributor" to the problem, as you so presumptuously put it. Which by the way, is not a very nice label for you to be blindly throwing around at people you don't know.
Rick York wrote: I think this conversation has crossed the line of acceptability
I guess you mean you can't be bothered to have a mature, rational debate about the topic and would much rather convince yourself you are right by trying to end the conversation by acting like you are somehow above it all.
I fail to see how a discussion about the connections between 2 words crosses any lines. Sure, racism is a "hot topic" but do you not think people refusing to even hold an open and critical debate about it is perhaps part of the reason it even still exists?
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I thought he was being funny in an ironic way, but now I think he was actually being serious. 
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Yeah, I didn't pick up on any sarcasm. And he probably would have told me if I had misunderstood.
I don't understand why so many people find it hard to have an unbiased conversation. I guess perhaps some people don't really understand their own opinions (or those they got from somebody else) to be able to defend them, so they back out from fear of being made to look a fool. And to be clear, this comment isn't specifically about Rick.
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musefan wrote: I don't understand why so many people find it hard to have an unbiased conversation
Emotions.
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Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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ZurdoDev wrote: Emotions.
Yeah, you could be right. I don't really understand it myself though.
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Wow Rick, this seems to be hitting you hard.
I think what musefan's trying to say is that we still have words like master bedroom, master's degree (I'm a Master of Arts myself), master blacksmith/carpenter/whatever profession, headmaster, a master as in teacher and a whole lot more.
None of them have anything to do with slavery.
So why would Git(Hub)'s master be related to slavery?
In IT we probably give it the master/slave connotation, but personally I've never linked that to enslaving black people either because that's the last thing on my mind.
In any case, Git(Hub) only has the word master, but not slave, so the link to slavery is at best very implicit and to most of us it simply doesn't exist.
Changing a "regular" word doesn't solve any real problems like how black people stay behind in education, finding work and buying houses while being over represented in jail as a result of racism.
And at this point it's so forced that I'm afraid it does more harm than good because white people feel attacked.
Meanwhile, changing the default branch name may break scripts and pipelines and such so it will hurt for some developers and companies.
Hopefully I was able to explain my point without crossing any lines.
If you have a different opinion I'd be interested in hearing it.
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Yes, and you put it much more eloquently than I did.
I wasn't trying to claim a correct view of any kind, I simply wanted to provoke thought as to the why of it all. After all, you can't solve problems until you understand them.
Sander Rossel wrote: And at this point it's so forced that I'm afraid it does more harm than good because white people feel attacked.
This is a pretty important point. The Black Lives Matter movement has really picked up traction on a massive scale, and people are ready to listen. But people get bored easy, and the attention of the people who are listening will be lost if the moment isn't seized now. Don't abuse the opportunity that has been given by watering it down with meaningless complaints about harmless words.
That said, unfortunately the people listening probably aren't the ones that need convincing in the first place.
Things like this take a long time to take affect, I am talking generations. I think it would be fair to say that the world has already made huge leaps forward in all terms of equality over the last few decades. I would even be tempted to put forward the argument that the problem has already been solved, we just need to wait a few generations until the weeds die out.
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Sander Rossel wrote: personally I've never linked that to enslaving black people
And I might add, is it quite a discrimination to think black people are so stupid that they would be harmed by the fact that "master/slave" is written on any piece of software documentation.
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Maybe not discrimination, but overly empathic?
Or maybe some really are offended by it, which also wouldn't surprise me, although the majority probably couldn't care less about the word master.
I think the same about white people though.
That's just general human stupidity, which isn't bound by race 
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Sander Rossel wrote: master bedroom
When I was looking to move 3 years ago I found out the term has been changed to owner's suite instead of master bedroom. 
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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ZurdoDev wrote: owner's suite
Reminds me of the time when people owned other people.
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Exactly. If you're looking to be offended, "owner's suite" is not much better.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I thought you were making fun of the people who are offended by everything, but now it appears you are one of them. Must be rough.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Wow, man, take a chill pill. Turn it down a thousand.
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Some people associate "slave" with People of Color.
That's how their minds work.
Me, I think of Princess Leia when she was hanging out with Jabba.
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GenJerDan wrote: Some people associate "slave" with People of Color.
And those people are usually looking for an excuse to start a fight.
Slavery has existed since the dawn of man, and it certainly has nothing to do with race. Historically people have had no issue enslaving their own. It was just cheap labour, in the end it's always about money.
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GenJerDan wrote: Some people associate "slave" with People of Color.
Which is historically incorrect. The term comes from the Slavic peoples: At the time when the term was coined, a major fraction of the involuntary workers were Slavs.
There has been involuntary workers of all races. There has been lots of terms to refer to them. Using the term slave to refer to non-Slavs is really a misnomer. It would be much more correct to refer to higly pigmented people by their lack of skin color (when relevant - e.g. to describe the looks of a person). But that is not acceptable in today's society.
For a while, "afro-american" was the recommended euphemisms. But several of my Indian afro-american co-workers have never been neither to Africa nor to America!
It is worth noting that the English word for maximum dark and the word in various Europenan languages for the very opposite - "blanc", "blanco", "blank"... - have a common etymological roots, meaning something like "void of color". I find it fascinating that we now replace the term "people void of color" with the euphemism "people of color" 
Re. euphemisms: Linguists have traced the term used for "the little room" in Norwegian through more than thirty generations of terms that started out as euphemisms, but as common people started using it, the high classes had to invent a new euphemism to avoid using "vulgar" terms. If I in my boyhood referred to "dass", I was told to wash my mouth with soap - but "dass" is really an euphemism for German "das Häuschen", which also is an obvious euphemism. But over the years, the ehphemism for an euphemism degraded to below vulgar language.
So, I am convinced that within ten to twenty years, referring to someone as a "person of color" will be just as offensive as using the English term for "void of color", and we'll have a new euphemism. Or five, all of them slowly becoming offensive, so they have to be replaced again.
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