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FTFY
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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My current contract is ending, so I am semi-seriously looking again. When did "Backend" coding turn into HTML, CSS3 javascript and such? My idea of back end is database layer and business layer (to use the buzzwords I knew). HTML, CSS, javascript, Anguar etc was called 'Frontend" coding
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
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Never, those are not back-end. They may be server-side, but they're front-end.
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Hi,
About 10 years ago Node.js[^] appeared and rapidly gained traction. The javascript runtime environment is considered to be slightly more secure than native code.
stoneyowl2 wrote: HTML, CSS, javascript, Anguar etc was called 'Frontend" coding
Yep, but the times they are a changin'[^]
Best Wishes,
-David Delaune
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Randor wrote: The javascript runtime environment is considered to be slightly more secure than native code.
Randor wrote: Yep, but the times they are a changin'
No sh*t!
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If by "slightly more secure" you mean "totally not secure and on the verge of devolving into total dumpster fire yet again", then yes.
Remember Meltdown? That was an accident.
I guaruantee that bad actors have already compromised the entire package build chain for popular packages.
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To me, "backend" is anything that is hidden by a front end. Whatever the server side does that is not directly visible at the client side would be backend. But if that server side code generates HTML/CSS/... that is sent to the client, it is definitely not hidden to the client. So I am surprised that anyone would call that backend.
Java was originally designed to be executed in the browser, in the front end. That never became any great success, but while it lasted, Java was a frontend language. Today, it is used by quite a number of backend applications at the server side. So the front/backend is not necessarily tied to the language/tool itself, but to how it is used.
I suppose that in theory, you could write a database server in javascript (but I would never apply for a job on that project!  ), in which case javascript would be a backend language. But what if you have JS interpreter at the server, generating plain HTML with no "script" tags - maybe not even CSS style references - everything has been written directly into the HTML code, before being shipped to the client. Would then JS be a frontend language, if it never reaches the client? I am tempted to consider that way to use JS to be backend. The building of the HTML might as well have been done in PHP or C++ or Fortran, which you certainly not would call a frontend language.
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Member 7989122 wrote: "backend" is anything that is hidden by a front end. Whatever the server side does that is not directly visible at the client side would be backend
Agreed, even when both front- and back-end are server-side.
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Yes, this is a better definition of what I was trying say, thank you.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
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Member 7989122 wrote: I suppose that in theory, you could write a database server in javascript (but I would never apply for a job on that project!
MongoDB uses json and javascript.
Let's just say that coming from a much string RDMS background switching from SQL to javascript is not fun at all.
My plan is to live forever ... so far so good
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Wait til you find out they ask for React but actually use Angular and their front-end devs design their database tables, handle key optimization, etc.
Unfortunately you can't rely on job postings or titles to know what they actually want. You've got to ask in an interview. I've seen Junior Developer postings that sounded more like they wanted a Project Manager. Java dev positions where I found out they don't even use Java anymore. A back-end position that wanted "Photoshop skills." HR is a mess right now for software in my experience.
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I think I'd take that as a signal that the potential employer doesn't know what they're doing. "You're a computer guy, right? So, you can fix anything from networking problems to CSS."
Seems to me most places are looking for "full stack developers" anyway.
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The terminology was not changed as far as I know. Maybe you're talking to a manager I knew who used to call floppy disks "flippy flop" disks. 
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Would you have more time for Russian dolls if they weren't so full of themselves?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Russian dolls are like onions...
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It Siberia right if your thread goes off-topic, however I Moscow now as I've other things to post.
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"We can't stop here - this is bat country" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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Well Griff...
Let me tell ya, I know plenty of dolls who are full of themselves.
PS
Yes I am back.
"If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"
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Is it logging in, or is it logging on? Either way, I'm having problems.
Her is the situation, I'm able to log in to CodeProject just fine from my home laptop. I've recently received a replacement laptop for work. And from this new computer, I can not log in to CP. Anybody experienced this? I used to log in from my old work laptop just fine.
Side note, my home laptop is a 2006 Gateway. Yes, I've thrown more memory in to it, and installed an SSD, but it keeps chugging along nicely. On the work side, I am now on my 3rd DELL Craptop since 2018.
Remember, no matter where you go... there you are.
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I log in fine from desktop, Surface, and phone - have you tried clearing your CP cookies? Are you using the same browser on both? Do you remember your password, or do you let the browser handle it for you?
Have you tried Sugs'n'Bugs[^]?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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If you can't login from your work computer, there may be a number of issues:
1. Try turning the computer on before attempting to log in
2. Make sure your computer has an internet connection - weird one, I know, but it seems to be related somehow
3. You should login using a browser; it's possible to do it in Word but rather convoluted
4. Make sure you're at codeproject.com before attempting to login; logging in at other sites will not log you in to CodeProject
 Sorry, not trying to be rude (honest!) but illustrating the fact we need a little more info...  What happens when you attempt to log in? And is your "work laptop" at work, or is it at home on the same connection as your own one? Does the new one connect over a VPN? Follow the usual debugging steps - what's different between the two? What clues do you get from any error message?
Finally, remember that CodeProject is just a bit of fun; shouldn't be used for anything serious like work! 
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Nominated for Tech Support Post of the Week.
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Specifically their Revu, Digital Workflow Solution with Studio | Bluebeam, Inc.[^] product?
This is not an endorsement, this is an "if so, could I contact you privately", as something isn't working.
And yeah, I could have posted this in Q&A, and while it's a technical question ultimately, I wanted to reach out to a broader community, so forgive me, I'm probably burning some CP credits here, lol.
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