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OriginalGriff wrote: Fetch torch
Other topic...
In India also, this is called torch. During a visit to the US, I asked for "torch" at the shop counter, and the salesman showed a puzzled look. Then I realized it had to be "flashlight" - remembered this from reading Hardy Boys, Nancy Drew books.
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That's because the UK subjugated your country for a while. We kicked them out when they started to get silly.
'Murica
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 Reminded me of many years back, when our cat brought a (live) baby rabbit into our bedroom. He could jump from the garden shed straight through our bedroom window. It was about a 6ft jump, which with a rabbit in his mouth, was pretty impressive!
Rabbit was going mental; cat was going mental; wife was going mental (standing on the bed screaming). That too was 'fun'!
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Roger !
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Ours likes to bring live stuff in all the time. I have had live quail running around my office, a blue jay flying around the kitchen, and I have lost count of the number of mice. Snakes too and lizards and ...
The funny thing is we also have miniature dachshunds and have for a quite a while. A long time ago we got a kitten and a dachshund taught it to hunt. Then that dog passed and we got a puppy and the cat taught it to hunt. We have had this cycle going for almost thirty years now - a cat will teach the dog to hunt and then vice versa.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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Viewer returns container in space (7)
It goes without saying
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Viewer
returns (back)
container TIN - > NIT
in space MOOR MO OR
MONITOR
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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Space was actually ROOM and was part of the return, but guess it works both ways.
It goes without saying
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The question is, who cleans up after that glass of lemonade?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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I'm an introvert. I feel like I've been training for this moment my whole life.
Agoraphobia is now my superpower.
On the other hand, I just want to get sick and be done with it (i could leave sooner if i got sick)
Red Dead Redemption 2 is vast, beautiful, and boring.
PS4 really has very few great games for it, and that's a shame, at least if you don't play online.
Real programmers use butterflies
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My favorite game is called "Visual Studio". I highly recommend it.
I'm retired. There's a nap for that...
- Harvey
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That's not a game - it's a Simulation!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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I have that one too, but i already beat it 
Real programmers use butterflies
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Tried it, steep learning curve, graphics are meh, no tutorial and my creations kept crashing.
On the other hand, it's a huge open world, lots of freedom, more development than in any other game.
Worst story ever though, first you have to create some program, but then someone decides something else is more important, it really skips from one subject to another and there's no end in sight...
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honey the codewitch wrote: PS4 really has very few great games for it
Maybe the problem is not the games, but your taste?
There's probably thousands of games 
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Yeah it sucks, only liking good games.
Real programmers use butterflies
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Well, here are some of the best:
Borderlands: The Handsome Collection (Borderlands 2 and the Pre-Sequel)
Borderlands 3
Ni No Kuni
Dragon Quest XI
NieR: Automata
Horizon: Zero Dawn
God of War
Persona 5
Crash Bandicoot Remastered
Final Fantasy XV (OK, not the best, but decent)
On that note, older FF games (VII, VIII, IX) are also available on PS4.
FFX Remastered and FFXII Zodiac Age are still really good!
And of course the new Final Fantasy VII Remake (haven't played it yet)
Love the old Kingdom Hearts as well!
I've heard very good things about The Witcher as well, although I haven't played it (mostly because I'm afraid it'll suck me in for 100's of hours of gameplay)
Maybe that's not a lot of games, but it's only the tip of the iceberg and it's still 1000's of hours of game play 
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I have FFX and FFX-2 on PS4 (and PS3 but my PS3 broke)
God of War annoyed me, though I can acknowledge it's a great franchise, just not my thing
Borderlands I've wanted to get into but I don't want to spend what they're asking without trying it first. I'm afraid of buyer's remorse. I'm not into FPS centric games. Closest I get are action games like GTAV and RDR.
What I really want right now, is Fallout 5, and none of that chintzy 76 crap. I am in love with the franchise but I've put so many hours into what's out now that playing through again just isn't in the cards this year.
Also I might be losing some of my fine motor control, and if that's true I probably want games I can grind to stay ahead of stat wise or are otherwise RPG oriented so I don't have to rely so heavily on my button mashing skills.
Real programmers use butterflies
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What you really want is a game that stimulate the mind and will keep surprising you for a long time. It's been around about 40 years and is still maintained - last update was, if I recall correctly, Feb 2020.
What I am talking about (pushing) is the freeware open source: Dungeon Crawl[^] A descendant of Rogue, if that means anything to you.
Part of the entertainment value is the amazing richness of the thing. Although, when I played it as Rogue it only used ASCII chars, I recommend the tile version. It has a definitely learning curve and the only pattern I could say I've observed is what you do at any particular time is dependent upon the particular circumstances of that particular game. You can try to make the wisest choice but; well; you keep learning.
I've settle down to be a "Demonspawn Berserker", worshiper of Trog. I prefer to use axes . . .
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I'll give it a go, thanks
Real programmers use butterflies
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A few notes if you've not yet discovered them:
1 - this game has perma-death. When you're gone you start over: new dungeon, etc.
2 - if you need some clues, aside from those avialable withing the game, TRY[^] - but only as necessary to avoid possible spoilers of the "they thought of that !?" that keeps arising.
3 - I played an ancient ancestor, Epyx Rogue, which came on a single-sided 180KB floppy. It took me five years to win. Even near the end, some new events surprised me.
4 - things like potions change each game - the names may re-appear but it's a different potion for that particular game. Ditto for scrolls and anything else that's vague in identity. You read/quaff/wield for an identity or identify it by other means.
5 - visit the various alter and see what each god has to offer. Mine (Trog) gives me ammo and weapons and a few powers as I earn them but I am forbidden to use magic.
The variety is extraordinary.
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honey the codewitch wrote: Closest I get are action games like GTAV and RDR.
Now you're speaking my language. I've quit playing games altogether decades ago, but to this day still make an exception for the GTA series. I still haven't gotten into RDR2 however. I'm gonna wait until I'm sick and tired of GTA Online - I don't want to have two of these on the go at the same time...
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Okay, so RDR2 is too realistic. Remember Gran Turismo 4? Like that. It's a western simulator. You lose your horse in the middle of nowhere he's gone. You're walking. You get hungry. You get tired. Things will eat you.
The map is huge. Riding to mexico feels like ... riding to mexico - on horseback. If you don't brush your horse periodically he gets slower. You have to feed him periodically if you're riding hard, kind of like the first one, but you can only carry one sidearm on you at once, so you're very reliant on your horse for carrying weapons. You have to bow hunt in this game. Guns make too much noise, and ruin the pelts you get so you can't make things with them - the only way to get satchel upgrades is tracking and hunting. It's slow. You get hungry. You have to sleep. Things will eat you. etc.
RDR 1 was the pace you'd expect of rockstar and was a fantastic game that's worth picking up an old ps3 to play by itself. RDR 2 ... not so much. It's a beautiful game - masterfully done - but the pace will bore you into a coma. It's like watching the Godfather series that way.
Real programmers use butterflies
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honey the codewitch wrote: It's like watching the Godfather series that way
Blasphemy!
I'm the type who can sometimes enjoy a game for little more than the sandbox environment it presents you with, not necessarily for the 'action' parts. I just might enjoy it the way it is...
But like I said...I'll wait 'til I get bored of GTAO before getting it. One of the advantages of playing as few games as I do, and often waiting a long time to play them, is that by the time I get to play it, the hardware will run it plenty fast and most of the bugs will have been worked out...
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