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Mark_Wallace21-Apr-20 12:08

21-Apr-20 12:08

I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

Bram van Kampen21-Apr-20 14:00

Bram van Kampen

21-Apr-20 14:00

This is a Programming Question
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Martin ISDN21-Apr-20 21:42

21-Apr-20 21:42

I guess i got so used to seeing questions like this on the lounge that I made a mistake.

My apologies.

Mark_Wallace21-Apr-20 22:18

21-Apr-20 22:18

Ignore. You didn't ask what we define as "a programming question"; you asked about something "related to a software developer's life", which is exactly what the Lounge is here for.

"I like this, I don't like that" != "How do I code this for my homework assignment"

If you had asked a programming question, more than one person would have asked you not to, and (usually the first of them) would have pointed out where you should have asked it.

I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

Martin ISDN22-Apr-20 0:47

22-Apr-20 0:47

Thanks for clearing this out.

Book on Kotlin as a first class language

Dan Neely22-Apr-20 2:29

Dan Neely

22-Apr-20 2:29

You can use the NDK to program in C++ and can probably get away with mostly writing C if you do; but if your actual objection is that Android apps run in a highly sandboxed environment so will anything written using the NDK.

The only way you're going to get desktop level access is if you root your phone, and load a custom modified version of android that you've ripped a shitton of stuff out to it.

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Martin ISDN21-Apr-20 8:47

21-Apr-20 8:47

I would like to know of a tutorial or a book about the Kotlin programming language that doesn't treat Kotlin as an alternative to Java.

Something for warming up the size and structure of "The C Programming Language" or "Think Python" and something more detailed the likes of "Teach Yourself C++ in 21 days".

The meaning of "not as an alternative to Java" is: Java preferably not to be mentioned in the book at all. Not even as a bad example.

Thank you.

W∴ Balboos, GHB21-Apr-20 8:59

W∴ Balboos, GHB

21-Apr-20 8:59

sickfile wrote:
Java preferably not to be mentioned in the book at all. Not even as a bad example.

A look in Wikipedia yields:

Quote:
Kotlin (/ˈkɒtlɪn/)[2] is a cross-platform, statically typed, general-purpose programming language with type inference. Kotlin is designed to interoperate fully with Java, and the JVM version of its standard library depends on the Java Class Library,[3] but type inference allows its syntax to be more concise. Kotlin mainly targets the JVM, but also compiles to JavaScript or native code (via LLVM). Language development costs are borne by JetBrains, while the Kotlin Foundation protects the Kotlin trademark.[4]

It would be fair to say, under the above circumstances, that what you ask for is impossible - by design.

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Martin ISDN21-Apr-20 9:49

21-Apr-20 9:49

It also yields: a general-purpose programming language and Kotlin also supports procedural programming with the use of functions.

I don't mind that Kotlin targets the JVM. In fact that's what I need it for, Android development.

I just need Kotlin to give me access to the Android API in the form of functions that operate on some objects (data) and let me design the inner workings of my program in procedural way.

Is that impossible by design, given that Kotlin has equal rights as Java on the JVM and supports procedural programming?

Greetings

RickZeeland21-Apr-20 9:06

21-Apr-20 9:06

As clarified by Balboos, Java is almost unavoidable, but maybe you can find something here: Reference - Kotlin Programming Language[^]
Here is a book that does not require any Java knowledge: Kotlin Apprentice | raywenderlich.com Store[^]

modified 21-Apr-20 15:24pm.

Martin ISDN21-Apr-20 9:56

21-Apr-20 9:56

I think that book, the Kotlin Apprentice might be the best one can find.

Thank you very much, I appreciate it.

PS - I had the same problem when I was learning JavaScript. In 90% of the books the code had half of the lines in html, the other half was css and down there in all that noise was a drop of JavaScript and even that could have been jQuery not vanila JS. Miserable...

RickZeeland21-Apr-20 10:10

21-Apr-20 10:10

Quote:
I had the same problem when I was learning JavaScript.

That's the problem with web-development, it's a real hodgepodge, luckily I have succeeded to avoid it till now (and hopefully until my retirement $Shucks | :-\$ )

Mark_Wallace21-Apr-20 11:04

21-Apr-20 11:04

Old coders never die, they simply GOTO END.

I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

RickZeeland21-Apr-20 19:54

21-Apr-20 19:54

Ni !

Mark_Wallace21-Apr-20 20:08

21-Apr-20 20:08

RickZeeland wrote:
Ni !

Wo bu shi, ni shi!

I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

Rick York21-Apr-20 14:39

Rick York

21-Apr-20 14:39

Me too and I have zero interest in it. Thankfully I don't need to have any either.

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RickZeeland21-Apr-20 19:52

21-Apr-20 19:52

I have the interest, but not the time as I need to keep up with new .NET functionality and also have to maintain a TeamCity builder and packages deployment.
Oh and some database thingies too $Shucks | :-\$

sasadler22-Apr-20 12:18

sasadler

22-Apr-20 12:18

Heh, I did avoid it for my entire career. I was pretty much able to stay in the firmware/embedded field since the late 70's. I enjoyed the the low level nitty-gritty stuff, and some DSP stuff for flavoring!

raddevus22-Apr-20 4:28

raddevus

22-Apr-20 4:28

I've read a few of Kotlin books and my favorite for pure Kotlin learning is:
Kotlin Programming: The Big Nerd Ranch Guide [^]

This first one really builds and teaches Kotlin in good steps and I like the way the Functional aspects are explained. This book helped me understand functional programming and syntax in other arenas more clearly than any other book I've found.

For Kotlin learning and Android Development (reason I learned Kotlin) I definitely recommend
Android Programming: The Big Nerd Ranch Guide (Big Nerd Ranch Guides) 4th Edition[^]
The 4th ed. covers Android programming and is converted to Kotlin - previous editions focused on Java.

I also read Kotlin In Action - Manning pub[^] but I did not care for it.

BillWoodruff22-Apr-20 6:57

BillWoodruff

22-Apr-20 6:57

you are setting the gold standard for book reviews !

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raddevus22-Apr-20 7:36

raddevus

22-Apr-20 7:36

Thanks, I read a lot and it is often difficult to find just the right book for a specific technology, so I always like to point out good resources when I do find them. Smile | :)

Martin ISDN23-Apr-20 13:02

23-Apr-20 13:02

Much obliged. Plenty of useful information.

hur10forcer1022-Apr-20 4:49

hur10forcer10

22-Apr-20 4:49

Not sure if this is in violation of your request to find a book that doesn't treat Kotlin as an alternative to Java, but thought I'd share nonetheless. Neil Smyth has a book (here's a preview: https://www.ebookfrenzy.com/pdf_previews/Kotlin35EssentialsPreview.pdf) that does focus on Android development but has pretty good coverage on Kotlin (Chapters 11 through 17). You can use the Kotlin on-line playground for experimentation = https://try.kotl.in. Neil Smyth and his publisher seem to be pretty good about refreshing it as new versions of Android Studio come out. I have the 3.3 book and since then, there's been 3.4 and 3.5; I assume that 3.6 is coming soon.

Martin ISDN23-Apr-20 13:06

23-Apr-20 13:06

Looks great for starters. It has the basics of functions and lambdas.

Thanks

Martin ISDN12-May-20 23:32