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I have a service provider whose site for paying my bill is ridiculous. I sign in an then watch a doughnut spin forever. Basically, I put it on a separate screen or sit down and watch a movie or two. Occasionally it will pop up a dialog asking if I am still there. My first thought is that it is some sort of VM, and my second thought is that this is BS.
There are many sights that have multiple ways to ensure you are you (location, email, text, etc.). None of them require you to sit back an wait for them to eventually let you in to pay your bill.
I propose a two level login. A login to pay the bill and a login to access account information. Most of the time you just want to pay your bill, so if someone compromised that password - who cares. If they want to pay the bill for you - let them.
INTP
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence." - Edsger Dijkstra
"I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks. " - Daniel Boone
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Add them as a "payee" in your online banking account?
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it.
― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Quote: There are many sights
That must be spelled like this: There are many sighs 
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Really, one word. I spelled sites wrong, so what?
INTP
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence." - Edsger Dijkstra
"I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks. " - Daniel Boone
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You odviously have to do a site better, if your posting in the CP Lounge. People can be very critical they're.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: People can be very critical cynical
FTFY 
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Nelek wrote: Mark_Wallace wrote: People can be very critical cynical
FTFY
I'm sure I have no idea what you mean 
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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How did they miss "they're".
INTP
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence." - Edsger Dijkstra
"I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks. " - Daniel Boone
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Thread got in the 3rd page and they are also lazy? 
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Ok, I forgive you and must admit that even I sometimes make spelling mistakes, but hey I'm Dutch 
btw. bonus points for quoting Edsger Dijkstra.
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What would this world do without jerks
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John R. Shaw wrote: I propose a two level login. A login to pay the bill and a login to access account information. Most of the time you just want to pay your bill, so if someone compromised that password - who cares. If they want to pay the bill for you - let them.
So knock up a library/plug-in for it, and charge several times what you think it's worth (if it's cheap, people won't trust it).
You've put the idea out there, now, so you'd better hurry, before someone else gets early retirement from it.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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You think I am the first person that thought of that.
I doubt that cracker's are going to request more services or a change of address. But one level entry point is a security issue, no matter how you phrase it.
INTP
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence." - Edsger Dijkstra
"I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks. " - Daniel Boone
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John R. Shaw wrote: You think I am the first person that thought of that.
It's bleeding obvious but it's not ubiquitous, so either no-one has thought about doing it like that or no-one has done it.
All it needs is a little div, about the same size and shape as the godawful recaptcha thing, that allows the site owner to easily wire it up to accept context-sensitive user names and passwords. Sites that currently do things like that don't exist (from what I've seen), and pre-written password-entry scripts are mostly unsafe, too simple, or so complicated to use that you might as well write your own -- and making them context sensitive would be an exercise in futility, because they only do the easy bit.
You want better: write it, sell it.
Don't give it away, because many business don't like trusting this kind of security to unsupported freeware.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Something I always try to get through to telephone bill paying 'personnel'. If someone wants to pay my bill, don't worry about their ID - just take their money.
I mean really!
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Exactly! Who cares who is paying the bill, as long as if gets payed.
INTP
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence." - Edsger Dijkstra
"I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks. " - Daniel Boone
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John R. Shaw wrote: I propose a two level login. A login to pay the bill and a login to access account information. Most of the time you just want to pay your bill, so if someone compromised that password - who cares. If they want to pay the bill for you - let them.
My car and home insurance bill works like that. You only need to know the account number to pay it. Partial or full payment. Hmmmm I suppose there is a problem there.
Okay, nothing to see here. Move along.
I'm retired. There's a nap for that...
- Harvey
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Corona virus, delivery, etc...
And now.... 90 minutes meetings every day!
Sure sign they need max productivity from us!
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... or (IMO more likely) they don't trust you
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why me?  the all 12 IT people are there everyday.. and my every day talk time is about 10 seconds... my attention time is about 2 minutes...
I took it as an opportunity to be paid while day dreaming about space RPG....
Mmm... you probably means.... "they" as in "the management" and "you" as in "the developers"...
I don't quite see this has to do with trust anyway...
It feels more like they have their own ticket system which, and we have our own ticket system... and one seem blind to the other...
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You've got horrid management. This was something I could never abide, self-important sphincters who want a room full of people just sitting there, each one waiting for their 3 minutes of bean counting.
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I got over it, being paid a ginormous amount of money as a contractor!  (and also, day dreaming!)
I just wonder how management can justify to themselves this waste of productivity?!
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Agreed, but it's probably a reaction to this strange situation.
Developers can work from home without problems.
Managers can work from home for a few days, doing paperwork or whatnot, but ultimately their job is to manage people.
And those people aren't at home.
So in order to feel less useless they do this kind of crap.
Maybe to them it's better to do something, anything, than nothing.
Or it makes them feel in control or needed.
There are better ways to handle the situation, but at least they're not buying 100 rolls of toilet paper
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I guess yeah... This is it!
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