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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: No wonder the future not that bright anymore...
If all the kids are learning is capitalism and looking after number 1, I have to agree.
They certainly won't be learning anything about honour, duty, or compassion.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: If all the kids are learning is capitalism
If you think capitalism is being taught as a 'good thing' in the modern western education system - you haven't had any contact with the schools in the last 20 years. 
As for capitalism not being compassionate - name a better system that has raised more people up out of poverty.
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DRHuff wrote: If you think capitalism is being taught as a 'good thing' in the modern western education system - you haven't had any contact with the schools in the last 20 years.
Could be. But then, where do they get it from? Probably from capitalism itself: The entire society, our entire lives are immersed in capitalism, through politicians, media/entertainment, the entire commercial/advertising world, even religion.
It doesn't always appear as capitalism per se, but hides under different disguises. Listen to Donalds press conferences: Every day for two weeks now, he has been praising "private capital" and commercial forces for being The solution to handling the corona virus, and constantly stresses how fundamental it is to give private capital a possiblity to make more profit as soon as possible to get the nation back on its feet - a major medical problem is essentially handled by making sure that capital owners get what they want.
Or you can call it "human rights" - the "freedom" to exploit other humans is a human right. Look at the UN Declaration of human rights, and consider how many of the articles would make no sense in a society with no money, no capitalism, no mechanisms for economic exploitation. Listen to how DT talks about closing the borders to save the nation's econonomy - national borders is a weapon in the protection of capital interests. (This is ages old: The kings didn't build their armies to protect the peasants, but to protect their own capital.)
In today's Western society, capitalism is preached as something given by nature, something that cannot possibly be questioned or objected against. It is as permeating as Christianity was a couple hundred years ago. You can hardly point out that other societies may have different ideas, without being labeled an anti-capitalist. Kids shall not even be made aware that there is something that is quite different from the capitalist world they are living in; there shall be no critical ideas.
So even though you appearently have revealed that schools may disclose the fact that there may be other ways, I don't think you have to worry. Society will soon enough pick such misconceptions off their minds.
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Member 7989122 wrote: something that cannot possibly be questioned or objected against.
Object to it all you like - I don't care. But if you object to it you must think there is an alternative. What is it?
I mean - if I put up millions of dollars to build a factory and you work in it - you seem to think that you should get to own the factory. If you want to own a factory - build one yourself - or get your coworkers together and buy it from the owner and run it the way you want.
One of the joys of capitalism is that you can leave if you don't want to participate. Socialism and communism - not so much.
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DRHuff wrote: One of the joys of capitalism is that you can leave if you don't want to participate.
Yeah, right...
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DRHuff wrote: If you think capitalism is being taught as a 'good thing' in the modern western education system - you haven't had any contact with the schools in the last 20 years
The teachers are teaching the modern form of capitalism by their actions -- "We've got something that you want, so the price goes up!"
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This sort of behaviour by the teachers' unions is one of the reasons why over the last 50 years teaching has gone from a respected profession to no more than a baby-sitting service.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.
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last time teachers could call out kids not following the plan or disrupting class, send them to the principals office for talking to (with their parents), and identify kids that perhaps needed 'more help.' And yes, other discipline could be applied.
these days:
1. they can't do anything to them: kids can play up, act the fool, do nothing, even directly disrespect the teachers.
2. they can't even call out kids that need extra help - that's stigmatizing them (or some such nonsense)
- and the parents siding with the kids on and disputes wonder why the teachers get no results.
so yeah, teaching is no longer a "respected profession," not because they don't try,
but ...
... because they can't do anything to be respected
... because [putting it simply] the bleeding heart idiots took away their ability to get respect.
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the goat in your machine wrote: so yeah, teaching is no longer a "respected profession," not because they don't try,
but ...
... because they can't do anything to be respected
... because [putting it simply] the bleeding heart idiots took away their ability to get respect.
Agree
I have seen teachers getting in problems, just because they cared and tried to do more for some students. No wonder that they afterwards say: go to hell.
Of course there are other teachers too, that just got in this job for the big vacations and don't give a crap for their students.
M.D.V. 
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Nah teachers were respected when, if you were a PITA, they could inflict pain and anguish ie the cane. I grew up respecting teachers because my bum hurt.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: those at kinder-garden are obviously can not 'teach' remotely
You'd be surprised at how easily most kids can pick up an iPad.
But I get what you mean: Kindergarden is little more than glorified babysitting, so the problem isn't the material being "taught"...you pretty much need an adult to be present.
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I wouldn't think so they're so Ice-o-lated!
I'll just get my coat now and leave!
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One of several articles: [^]
And with winter there fast approaching, it'll probably stay that way.
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Uuuh... "who has been at the Concordia Station in Antarctica since November, said being in the southernmost continent already felt "so otherworldly" because of the increasing darkness and cold."
This is not the Arctic, but the Antartica! November is right before midsummer, it is getting lighter and lighter! By today, they have had a long period of midnight sun!
This is such a fundamental mistake that I ask myself whether the entire story is just made up. I cannot imagine any real researcher referring to "the Antarctic winter environment" when it is in fact the Antarctic summer. The story may be real, but the journalist was clueless and misunderstood some essential points. Then he might have misinterpreted just as badly whatever else the researchers told him.
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He's been there since November, has gone through summer, and now it's getting increasingly dark and cold.
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OK, I'll accept that as an excuse. But it is like people on the northern hemisphere complaining about winter cold and darkness in early September. It is a little bit early.
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Well, he's at Concordia Station[^], which is in the interior south of New Zealand, and the equinox has passed. It's not as if he's on one of those wussy stations around the Antarctic Peninsula.
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Mike Hankey wrote: I'll just get my coat now and leave!
Leave the coat; it's cold in here.
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21 days, nobody allowed to leave home for any reason.
And four hours notice before it took effect ... 
I can understand why, but there are going to be a lot of breaches, or a heck of a lot of deaths in the next 3 weeks ...
New York Times[^]
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Wow, gook luck to our Indian friends...be safe!
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Wow... better quickly stock up tons of rice! 
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Super Lloyd wrote: better quickly stock up tons of rice!
And lentils! High protein, long shelf-life and easy to cook. A staple of Indian cuisine and delicious! 
/ravi
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OriginalGriff wrote: nobody allowed to leave home for any reason.
This was the part I didn't understand. Seriously? Who has enough resources to survive 3 weeks in home, except maybe JSOP?
One thing though, you'll be able to see the horizon with all the factories shut down, and maybe the Ganges will get a wee bit cleaner. 
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Marc Clifton wrote: Who has enough resources to survive 3 weeks in home, except maybe JSOP?
I guess that in India, to a fair share of the population it is not within economic reach to always be stocked up for four weeks of isolatin. (I am curious to the meaning of JSOP in this context, but that is inessential for the discussion.)
I am more surprised by how often you see the same in the well-to-do Western world. Lots of people who could easily afford to keep four months supply of food, toilet paper and whathaveyou. Often, the "socialist" Europe is blamed by Americans for not taking responsibility for themselves but relying on a "socialist" system, but in this case I think there are clear examples, also in Europe but to an even higher degree in the USA, that people rely on the commercial system to take care of them, in the sense that the shops and their suppliers are "obliged" to always provide whatever you need. We are living in sort of a modern type of hunter-gatherer society where we every day go out in the "jungle" to get what we need; we do not make any sort of private long-term preparations.
Why don't we all keep at least a four weeks stock of toilet paper, canned and dried food, toothpaste and whathaveyou? When you establish your stock, you will have to spend a little more than in an average week, but once it is there, on your shelves, the expense of restocking is no greater than the expense of buying as you need, without any stock. You can build it up gradually, you don't have to build a complete emergency supply of everything in a single week: This week you build up your toilet paper stock, next wee you build the stock of medicines you depend on, and so on.
Some do, but the percentage is very low. Most of those who do may say "Sure, I buy 24 rolls of TP at a time", or "Yeah, I've got a dozen soup cans" - but very few follow a systematic plan, having a check list of what they should always be stocked up on.
(If you are among those who do have a stock plan, I'd be curious to see your list of what you stock up!)
For years, I have kept a list of consumables (essentially food and health/medicine) for which I should always have a stock lasting for a minimum of four weeks. For some products, the average stock is significantly higher; 4 weeks is the trigger point for re-supplying. I had no need to panicly stock up for Corona; it was already there, both food and paper and other stuff.
Why do I feel so special, in this respect? Don't people have shelves available? Don't they want to sacrify any immediate consumption in order to finance a stock? Or is it simply that they never considered the possibilty that the commercial world might be unable to supply their need the next two days?
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Agreed.
I consider myself to have been very wise and have taken excellent precautions for lockdown: I have over 300 games on GoG, and about fifty more on Steam.
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