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At least you can see her!
When we got Bill, he only game out at night for a week ... I had to hunt down his hiding places and "secure" them. I didn't even know some of those holes existed!
THen we started "forced socialisation" - find cat, get cat, gently hold cat and stroke while offering tasty treats (raw meat is good). short time to start with, then getting longer so he realised that it wasn't nasty and he could go any time he wanted.
Ended up with a wonderful cat that trusted me absolutely - if I was in the room, all was well. If I wasn't ... gawd help the vet ... 
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OriginalGriff wrote: At least you can see her!
Only because I wrecked my kitchen!
I'm leaving her be for now, but I might end up forcing it somewhat too.
At least I'll close up the kitchen when I have a chance, so she's forced to be a bit more out in the open.
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We went through that with 'Mama', a cat we adopted when my wife's aunt passed away. Mama was essentially feral, and hadn't socialized much at all while the aunt had her. We brought her and a second cat who was friendly home after the funeral, and let them take up residence in our guest room so they could get used to the move. We didn't see Mama for a month. The guest room has some antique furniture that she would hide behind/under.
After a while, Mama started to come out. We'd occasionally catch her laying out on the floor in a spot of sun. She eventually let me pet her, and toward the last I could rub her tummy and even pick her up and hold her. Sadly, she passed away just when she started to accept us.
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Gary Wheeler wrote: Sadly, she passed away just when she started to accept us.
That's sad 
But at least she lived a good life with you 
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We had a good time with her. We're the slobbery type of pet owners so we have conversations with them, you know the drill.
Mama's backstory was that she was a retired KGB operative and she just wanted to live the life of a grumpy country Russian matron. That's why she was so unfriendly  .
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Gary Wheeler wrote: Mama's backstory was that she was a retired KGB operative and she just wanted to live the life of a grumpy...
I can see how working as a honeypot would do that to a cat.
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Good to hear!
..never seen that shade of Pink either, looks very black to me
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Sander Rossel wrote: Went to the animal shelter last Friday.
I somehow thought it was necessary to get the most scared cat they had, so that's what I now have
I found a black cat out the front of our complex about 8 - 10 months ago. Living in a drain under the main driveway. Scared shitless, scrawny and it's head twisted to the side. I believe it was physically abused. I started feeding it and it wouldn't come out until you were far enough away or somewhere it couldn't see you.
The wife then decided she wuld look after it and started moving the food closer and closer to our backyard until it was eating in there. Put a cardboard box with a shirt of hers she was wearing a few times she was feeding it and it started sleeping there. Now has a proper cat bed and has been to the vet to get desexed and vaccinated. Still wary of me even though it would be on the street and probably dead if I didn't start feeding it.
Last weekend we found another cat in the garden near the backyard, small enough to fit in my hand and scrawny. It is now sleeping in a cardboard box near the other cat (which isn't happy, but it harden up and get over itself) and I have bought kitten food for it. Wife said it could eat the same food as the first cat, but as I explained to her this kitten is way smaller than the other cat was.
Initially it wouldn't stay in the backyard, I picked it up and put it in the box and it stayed a while then would go and sit in the garden of middle of the backyard again. At one point it went out the front of the complex and was hiding under somthing, I found it and left it, the wife couldn't and move the thing and the cat got scared and ran out on the road and under a parked truck. As I tried to get it out it climbed up in to the bottom of the engine/suspension. Fun times prodding with a brromstick until my wife grabbed.
Managed to get it to stay and sleep in the box and eat. If still around this weekend will get a proper bed after taking it to the vet for a checkup and vaccination. Way too young for desexing yet.
Michael Martin
Australia
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- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Well, the puss-a-puss. Sander will take good care of you. Come on out pinky.
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The comments are so cute 
(I'm Flemish speaking ...  )
Have fun with the little fellow.
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Congratulations Sander.
I'm sure she'll come around, and that's the best feeling in the world. 
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Congratulations, and kudos on getting the most scared cat.
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The Guradain: The Australian Securities Exchange closed down 7.3%, representing around AU$140bn (US$9o) in losses
Jeeze!
I think I'll buy a couple of hundred-thousand-billion AU dollars, while they're that low!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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global markets are tanking everywhere. oil prices dropping, futures are crashing.
I have lost over $40K in my retirement accounts already, and it is not getting any better.
the man behind the curtain said this would happen...
It's much easier to enjoy the favor of both friend and foe, and not give a damn who's who. -- Lon Milo DuQuette
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Quote: the man behind the curtain said this would happen...
The Elephant Man ?
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Basically why I am (and have always been) against any sort of ability for Soc Security to be invested in the market (or privatized, which will be the same thing). This current situation could cause a lot of people to cause a run-up in the price of dog-food.
Here's how these things would work:
SSA 'users' get a chance to invest in the market - causing a big surge in demand and thus in prices. The "pro's" sell into the run-up and make seriously huge profits. The initial pool of money dries up and prices start to go down to match demand (read that collapse). Now the pro's buy the stuff back. The harvest is complete.
Now today's event is partly pointless panic and partly related to (as I read it) the Saudi's deliberately dropping the price of oil. It's not the same as paragraph two, but it reinforces that something like one's retirement should be in ever more stable investments as they age - as in one's safety-net called Social Security.*
* this is not partisan if that comes to mind. I have, for example, been against burning oil even when it was $3/bbl - as it's too precious a raw material to just burn. U235 is a good source of energy while other means are developed. I make up my own mind - unfortunately, no one with influence cares to listen
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It's much easier to enjoy the favor of both friend and foe, and not give a damn who's who. -- Lon Milo DuQuette
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 Social Security isn't invested in anything. The contributions are spent as general revenue and replaced with IOUs. They might be called Treasuries of a sort, but even those now have return-free risk.
I could retire rather early and not have to look for contracts because, after the telecom debacle, I got all of my retirement assets under my direct control instead of having to pick from various lookalike equity or money market funds (or company stock, which is really putting your eggs in one basket). I wish I'd also been able to control how my Social Security contributions (and the equivalent in Canada) were invested. One size does not fit all, but that's the philosophy behind every government program.
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Slacker007 wrote: I have lost over $40K in my retirement accounts
So you sold your stocks / mutual funds and locked in the loss? Did you buy toilet paper with it?
Slacker007 wrote: and it is not getting any better.
Not today, probably not tomorrow. Were you planning on cashing out in the next month or so?
This too shall pass.
If you can't handle this drop - wait until it passes and then get the hell out of the market - because you aren't equipped to deal with it. Of course when it is going up you will be back in the 'it will always go up' mode - so it could by tough to convince yourself to get out... 
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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you really need to lay off the drugs and get some mental health help ASAP.
It's much easier to enjoy the favor of both friend and foe, and not give a damn who's who. -- Lon Milo DuQuette
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Did
Slacker007 wrote: the man behind the curtain
tell you that too?
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: The Guradain: The Australian Securities Exchange closed down 7.3%, representing around AU$140bn (US$9o) in losses
That's nothing, should've seen the three women in a Woolies punching on over toilet paper. Was going to post about it but was on site all day. It was in Chullora, look it up.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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It's not true, anyway!
I went to the exchange counter, gave them 70-some-odd euros in exchange for US$90, that much went fine.
But when I asked them to exchange the US$90 for AU$140bn, they said no!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: I think I'll buy a couple of hundred-thousand-billion AU dollars, while they're that low!
So you're running out of toilet paper too?
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Unfortunately AUD pioneered plastic toilet paper, which was later adopted by CAD.
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