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Forget it... I confused again... too much testing different things.
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That's actually one of the reasons why mickeysoft can like me edgewise.
I don't want to marry them.
I don't want to join their happy family.
I don't want to join a cult.
And I also got drafted twice (the first and the last time), got an honorable discharge, so that's also done.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I have been really wanting to give them a try with Windows 10 and so on (and I don't want to start changing all PCs of the family / relatives to Linux, since I am the techie here).
But this and the force register / log in with new installations of 1909... they are really pissing me off.
I am really starting to think it will be easier to get a Linux OS for "safety needed surfing" (mail, banking and bit more) things and one or two VM with Win 7. One for offline things with "must be windows" software, and the other for the rest that get automatically deleted and new copied every few days.
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Very much what I am doing. Windows 7 will be my last Windows.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I really wanted to give them a try because of my own convenience / laziness... but they are really trying hard to piss me off and bring me to the "f*** you forever" limit.
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I'm no Linux expert, but it's reached a point where I'm comfortable enough to have set up a laptop with Kubuntu for my dad to use - he primarily sticks to a browser and printing, so the underlying OS is rather irrelevant to him. Fortunately getting my antique LaserJet 4350 to work with it turned out to be easier than on Windows.
If my dad was a more sophisticated computer user I'd hesitate (I have an easier time troubleshooting Windows than Linux, based purely on past experience), but given his needs, as long as what's currently installed stays up, we're both happy.
His only need for Windows is to reprogram remote car starter modules - he installs them on the side, and every car needs to have a module's firmware flashed for that specific make/model/year/etc, and the software to do that is Windows only...but for his ordinary uses - I'm happy to have him on Linux.
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dandy72 wrote: His only need for Windows is to reprogram remote car starter modules - he installs them on the side, and every car needs to have a module's firmware flashed for that specific make/model/year/etc, and the software to do that is Windows only...but for his ordinary uses - I'm happy to have him on Linux.
In case of my wife, is for some pic albums software.
In case of my parent-in-law is music notes software.
In case of my mother-in-law... nothing.
For that, I give them a VM for online and another one for offline... problem solved.
I just need to find time and the mood to start with (and stop procastinating, but in this I have MS's help)
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My rule of thumb for everything I obtain from the internet is that
1. if they ask me for registration, and I wouldn't want to register otherwise (for whatever reason), find an alternative
2. if they ask me for any data they have no credible reason to ask for, find an alternative
3. if they ask me to read through legalize that takes a degree and more than 5 minutes* to skim over, ... guess what 
*depending on formatting/readability, vocabulary, and use of standard clauses.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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I own MS account since a while, I have logged into it and still not possible... the computer is a local win7.
So no, I am not explicitelly install win10 just to install this software (they don't allow offline installer)
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Nelek wrote: So no, I am not explicitelly install win10 just to install this software (they don't allow offline installer)
To me that's a non-starter. No offline installer, no installation.
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Stefan_Lang wrote: 2. if they ask me for any data they have no credible reason to ask for, find an alternative
You must have a very short list of Android apps on your phone/tablet. 
(seriously...flashlight apps that want your contacts list, photos, call history...?)
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dandy72 wrote: You must have a very short list of Android apps on your phone/tablet
Indeed. I've dumped half of the preinstalled ones and only added a handful of apps that I really need:
- a news app
- a timetable app for commuting
- a music player that just uses tracks in a given folder
- tor browser
- kindle reader
- 3 authenticator apps for two-factor authorizations
That's all. No social media, no games. I have good PCs at home and at work, so why bother with mobile data suckers?
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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I don't play games on phones/tablets, so those are out. There's a lot of crap (games, some Facebook client are the worse offenders) that came bundled with some of my tablets but can't remove unless I can root it (someone here has pointed me to some package to do that a few days ago, but I haven't had much of a chance to tinker with it yet).
But these days, even my newest tablet (Android 6), after a factory reset is flaky as hell (very slow, like there's some background process tying up the CPU), apps that stop responding, random reboots. I'd love to say I'm done with Android, but I'm no fan of that fruity company.
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long ago created a fake ms account (hotmail at the time) and another fake account on mail.com to verify and link to each other. (also fartbook linked to one of these.)
never added to my email client, web access only - once done logout, clear cache, cookies, exit.
comes in handy for registering/downloading visual studio etc
.... log in, download files, updates, licence, log out
... always from VMs that I only allow internet access to on those such occasions.
... don't even bother looking at the emails or facebook unless they want a "verify" code.
these days I notice for new accounts they want a lot more information, even real info
- apparently impossible to create fartbook account without a phone #, back then an email was enough.
I find it useful to [fake] register for new things before registration gets too tight,
(linked to another junk email for any "verify" messages.) - you never know later on if useful.
I keep the info (site, name, pw) in a plain text file (- not my important ones).
some stop working (some long gone), don't care, once in a blue moon some prove useful.
after many otherwise intelligent sounding suggestions that achieved nothing the nice folks at Technet said the only solution was to low level format my hard disk then reinstall my signature. Sadly, this still didn't fix the issue!
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lopatir wrote: these days I notice for new accounts they want a lot more information, even real info
- apparently impossible to create fartbook account without a phone #, back then an email was enough.
I needed to insert a confirmation code in my old hotmail account I used for this... I was forced to fill in Name and Family Name (which it was not filled until now).
lopatir wrote: I keep the info (site, name, pw) in a plain text file (- not my important ones).
I started that too, after trying to log to where I bought my gas barbeque because I wanted to buy a couple of things more (6 years later) and having forgotten the log data and not able to "forgot my password" because I wouldn't answer the birthday and another thing they asked back then...
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Yep, faking data works pretty well - proving that they don't actually need that data and shouldn't ask for it in the first place.
At the very least they should be honest enough to prominently admit that these data are used to pay for their expenses, and their offer is therefore not actually free. Given that information - if it were given - I could make an informed decision on whether their offer is worth sharing my data.
Instead these companies prefer hiding their true intent under oodles of legalize that, upon close inspection, contain vague hints of the 'possibility' of needing to pass your data to certain third parties under certain unspecified circumstances.  Of course, no guarantee is made as to how these 'third parties' treat your data afterwards.
As long as they're not honest about that, I don't expect them to be honest on anything else, and will expect the worst. As a result, my (uninformed) decision is to not take the risk.
GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)
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I've yet to find a legitimate need to create a Facebook account, even using fake data.
But even if you rely on fake data, there's all sorts of ways your system can still be rather uniquely fingerprinted (which is why Google wants to get rid of cookies; they're no longer useful to them--they have plenty of other means to ID you).
But back to FB - anyone whose only internet presence is through Facebook isn't getting my business.
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as mentioned I signed up for facebook early just in case it might prove useful.
...little did I know the opposite would be true... I'll have to admit surprise at how bad it became
don't go near it anymore.
yeah somebody's always watching, will never be totally hidden but can at least make it harder (VPN's etc) - mess up / complicate their data.
after many otherwise intelligent sounding suggestions that achieved nothing the nice folks at Technet said the only solution was to low level format my hard disk then reinstall my signature. Sadly, this still didn't fix the issue!
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Got a Oculus Go from Herself for my B'day, and I just played my first VR game: "Cursed Sanctum".
Good lord, but it's poor. 10 minutes, start to end, including all the animations when I died - loads of times - that's not good. And as for the gameplay ... ignore the controller, you just have to look at the "glowing thing" for long enough and it's "Pressed". That's it. sit there while he walks, occasionally look at a glowing thing, probably die. Roll end credits. Uninstall.
As an example of what you can do with a VR helmet, it sucks.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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And how looks The Wife, in VR?
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I have tested Elven Assassin and quite enjoyed it. Robo Recall as well.
"Five fruits and vegetables a day? What a joke!
Personally, after the third watermelon, I'm full."
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Tried the Westworld game... not too bad...but not as ground breaking as I was expecting. All the stuff I have seen in VR leaves me meh! 
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You lasted about as long as I did.
I'd rather have something along the lines of the old ViewMaster slides that had 3D underwater scenes.
Swimming around a reef without having to bother with a wet-suit and an aqualung would be great, but there are no really good ones, yet (that I've found).
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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My experience is with the HTC Vive, so I don't know how it compares, but here's a list of VR games that have been a hit with me and friends/family:
BeatSaber - Rhythm game. Large modding community, and supports the Go (I think.)
Pistol Whip - Another Rhythm game + John Wick vibe.
Gorn - Goofy gladiator combat sim.
Carly and the Reaperman - 2-person puzzle platformer.
I've done some others, with mixed results and motion sickness issues, but the four above are normally what gets played when I do gatherings at the house.
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Cove holds third party celebration! (8)
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