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#realJSOP wrote: CNN? Fake news.
But it can't be fake! FOX News reported it. 
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Say it ain't so!
/ravi
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A claim of aliens living among us is simply conjecture and speculation based on hearsay and opinion. To the person making the statement, I say prove it with tangible and irrefutable evidence, or STFU. Simple as that. I'm willing to believe, but I need to see proof.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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#realJSOP wrote: I say prove it with tangible and irrefutable evidence
Which is why I think you are a figment of my imagination. You are not real unless you can prove it to me. 
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Uptick for being a fellow leftie.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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Relativism and denying the evidence of your own senses is being a lefty?
If so, it explains a lot. I find it amusing that people who have to deal with hard reality when it comes to software can spout such drivel.
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Huh? I was just referring to his signature.
We're both left handed.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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My mistake. I assumed you upvoted for deeper reasons.
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Well, in fairness I did find the reply slightly humorous too.
For my part I think it's fair to presume aliens are not among us absent evidence, but it's not entirely reasonable to make a claim that they do not exist among us absent evidence. It's overplaying one's hand. One might say it's unlikely, of course.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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Proving a negative (outside a formal realm like mathematics) is impossible, which is why it's up to someone who asserts something to offer evidence. Otherwise you get things like, "The world is run by shape-shifting Reptilians." And I'm surprised you bothered to deny being the Reptilian Queen, because everyone knows it's Queen Elizabeth.
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Well, it's impossible perhaps and yet just the same, all I'm saying is that asserting something does not exist is also a claim and would require evidence. That it's a difficult or impossible claim to support really doesn't change that, as far as I'm concerned.
But that's why I try to avoid saying things like "aliens don't exist" or even "there are no gods" - regardless of likelihood. Life is one of the most unlikely events we know about, and yet here we are.
Now, that doesn't mean I operate on the assumption that those things do exist, but I wouldn't say that they don't definitively, if that makes sense.
And queen elizabeth is a cutout. 
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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Greg Utas wrote: Relativism and denying the evidence of your own senses is being a lefty?
This appears to be accurate.
On the other hand I originally read "leftie" to mean left handed.
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#realJSOP wrote: I say prove it with tangible and irrefutable evidence
That is a common yet very weak and short-sighted argument. For example, prove to me that love exists. You can't. Yet you and I know that it does exist.
In other words there are all kinds of things we all know exist but that can't be proven using the scientific method. It's not a complete method and should not be used as gospel.
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Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Love is a concept.
Aliens, if they do exist and are on this planet, would be tangible so show them.
If you want to prove that love exists, hurt my grandson. The hellfire my wife would bring down upon you would convince most people that love is real.
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MarkTJohnson wrote: if they do exist and are on this planet, would be tangible so show them.
It's funny how people limit other life forms possibilities based on their own knowledge.
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I think it's fair to presume they do not absent evidence, but one must be willing to change their beliefs in light of evidence.
I also think it's a league too far to claim they do not exist absent evidence. I agree with you on that score.
That said, a presumption and an absolute claim are two different things, I think. A presumption isn't necessarily based in fact, but in expediency. It would probably be counterproductive to go through life assuming there were aliens among us. For starters, people will think you're crazy. 
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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honey the codewitch wrote: absent evidence,
The funny thing about evidence is that it is subjective.
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Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Yes and no.
Generally when evaluating evidence, the parties involved must agree on what constitutes evidence and the relative strengths of these.
In things like physics and neuroscience we use P values. Outside science, such as in informal debate we primarily rely on the use of logical propositions, and with questions of fact themselves again, the parties must agree on what constitutes evidence.
But within any arena, it is possible to come to that agreement, and it's little different than simply agreeing on the terms of debate more generally.
When I was growin' up, I was the smartest kid I knew. Maybe that was just because I didn't know that many kids. All I know is now I feel the opposite.
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I didn't say they didn't exist. I said that someone's gonna have to prove to me that they are living among us. Again - I'm willing to believe they do, but I want proof.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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#realJSOP wrote: but I want proof.
I know. That's what my comment was about.
Never mind.
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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The great philosopher, Rama Kandra; on the human emotion of love No, it is a word. What matters is the connection the word implies.
It is very easy to prove that love exists; all you need to do is to look it up in the dictionary.
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Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it.
Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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I've got relatives who claim that they have proof in a book. It is supposed to be sufficient proof that a non-human fellow coming from above is living among us, so strong that they devote their life to it. The problem is that I never get to meet this fellow, yet they claim he is present.
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Is it just one book or is it a set of books written by multiple authors with different perspectives that corroborate each other? Is it just your relatives making this claim or has the claim been made by millions of people for thousands of years? Do other writings exist besides the book you mentioned that support the existence of this "fellow"? If the answer to these questions is "Yes" then maybe it shouldn't be dismissed so casually.
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