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Hmmm, That's why C# is rated higher than JavaScript too.
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Enterprises and businesses have to pay for Oracle Java updates now. Tons of them are switching or have already switched to other languages. Sure, folks can switch to OpenJDK but I think more are turning away wjere they can.
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I do use Java at work for somethings, but I'm sticking to version 8 of OpenJDK, it's nice and stable, and just works.
Also f*** Oracle in what they are doing to Java.
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How many of you use heavily the .NET framework with C# compared to C# with just the basic functionalities of .NET to make it work and other frameworks?
I don't like .NET due to horrible documentation, terrible implementation and obscene learning curve compared to anything else available but C# on its own is a simple language. Just wanted to know how far from the C# market I am now.
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What part of the framework? I know the depths and plumbing of WPF intimately. I knew winforms stuff when it was a wrapper for the win32 comctrls dll, haven't used it since 2005. I've used the OWIN web stuff, and i've used most of the utility stuff captured in the framework.
In general i've found the documentation pretty good, failing that i just use dotpeek to decompile the framework if i need to do anything really obscure.
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John Stewien wrote: failing that i just use dotpeek to decompile the framework if i need to do anything really obscure.
You don't even need to do that - MS published the source code several years ago, and provided it in a handy searchable format, complete with all comments: Reference Source[^]
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den2k88 wrote: and obscene learning curve compared to anything else available
Funny, I have that reaction to just about everything except the .NET framework.
But to answer your question - heavily use the .NET framework along with C#. Though there are still significant parts I haven't ever dealt with ("need to know" and all that.)
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den2k88 wrote: horrible documentation
Hmm. I find that most documentation is wretched, but the .NET documentation doesn't seem to suck any more than any other. The biggest lack I've seen in the MS documentation are comprehensive, working examples. Many of the .NET code snippets are trivial and do not show the background work you need to do.den2k88 wrote: terrible implementation
Hmm2. How so? Even though I'm stuck using .NET 3.5, I've generally found that implementation to be stable.den2k88 wrote: obscene learning curve
C# the language was easy to learn, starting from a C/C++ background. The most surprising thing about C# and .NET was learning to not reinvent the wheel. Time after time I would start implementing some sort of plumbing, only to discover there was a .NET class for it.
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I use html as a language 
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I am using dart for Flutter. It seems good enough.
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...just in the big pool of C now?
Or is Apple no longer important enough? 
I thought it was worse 2 years ago when they fell down to below 15% market share.. but aren't they back up to 17%? 
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Hello Dear "Crustie",
ObjC is becoming "retired" 
Press F1 for help or google it.
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this is a Apple synonym for not in use anymore.
Press F1 for help or google it.
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Probably not on the list because of the number of other surveys saying Swift has largely overtaken ObjC.
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Probably.
But still Java/Kotlin are at the moment a "pair" (for Android) compareable to ObjC/Swift for iOS. And Kotlin is there, but ObjC is not.
While Swift nowadays has more devs than ObjC (totally understandable when I think about the cruel strange syntax of ObjC... a miracle how this language could be successful EVER), Kotlin still looks for ppl to adopt it.
I personally do like Kotlin very much but still, the support in Android Studio has its flaws... It's not a "first grade citizen" as it has been promised.
Every project still gets the Java Folder structure and no Kotlin folders by default... You always feel like a foreigner when u start to code Kotlin in an Android project.
I hope this gets better in Studio 4.0
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I suspect we're talking a mixture of work and hobby development here.
It would be interesting to know if some of the more obscure selections are actually being used in anger.
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PeejayAdams wrote: are actually being used in anger.
In the case of several of them, they always make developers angry ...
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Well, I've often said that Javascript shouldn't be included in any discussion about languages ... 
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. - Mark Twain
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...of a company bringing ios, android and windows to the customers.
so we have
C++ for low level (SIP)
C# for windows
Objective-C/Swift for iOS
Java/Kotlin for Android
And of course SQL for the database... ![Java | [Coffee]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/coffee.gif) what else?
Currently evaluating Xamarin and other platform-independent options... but honestly... I am not sure if they ever make it out of our playground repository
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