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Oh, don't go public with it please... not yet... 
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Go for 'Zero', you are already overweight. No that is not my speculation, you wrote that once in a post 
Btw: I take zero because of diabetes
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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That weight over the desired the reason I try to move away from Coke... As I'm pretty addict, I was thinking to go for Zero first, and then remove it totally...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Quote: and then remove it totally...
I don't see a reason to do this. But ok, if you like to do it, it is your choice.
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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Sugar is pretty addictive, I have seen people try and quit and be in agony for days if not a whole month.
You can only beat an addiction with another (sadly). Try to find the routine when you crave for it in the day/night and then replace with another substance (I'd go with coffee).
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Oh Zero.
Thank goodness for it too because all my life when I still had the metabolism of a weasel, I could not fathom how the girls about me could suffer those diet drinks and the horrid aftertaste.
As I grew in to my older years and the coke drinks were becoming a visible liability, along came zero. Not just low calorie or low sugar, but zero dude! And as long as it's cold, it tastes good. But even warmer it's not anywhere near as bad as diet soda.
Viva La Coke Zero! 
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Diet over Coke. Don't know about Zero. I've barely tried it.
Diet? Why? Less sweet, a bit nicer. I have no expectation that it does me any less harm though! 
Kevin
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I like full fat Coke. However, around 2 weeks ago I started drinking Zero (both are free at work in the fridge outside my office). Wanted to see if it made any difference. I was only drinking one can of Full Fat a day, around 3pm.
I have also stopped having a full lunch. I was just eating far too much at work. They over feed us offshore. I have a few crackers or digestives and some Kiri cheese for lunch and then a normal full meal at night.
I have noticed now that I now am sleeping better at nights! Less tossing and turning, no waking during the night or anything like that.
I am not overweight, but haven't stepped on a scale yet to see if has made any change. I will check before I jump on the helicopter to go home. The big test will be when I get home, where it is hot and sunny and I like a few ice cold cans during the day while lazying about the pool.
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Coffee, on weekdays, Whisky neat on others.
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I've never liked the old "Diet" versions of most sodas. Weird aftertaste and harsh on the palette. Regular Coke (and Mountain Dew for that matter) taste too syrup-y to me now though that I stopped drinking sodas constantly so I prefer Zero. Actually drinking some Coke Zero at the moment for some afternoon caffeine.
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Diet Coke. I switched to Diet Coke at the same time I quit smoking, so I associate full-strength Coke with cigarettes. At this point, I actually prefer the taste of Diet Coke.
Software Zen: delete this;
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As in subject.
Cheers,
विक्रम
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Wine contains stuff that's good for your heart. Beer contains pleasure. Coffee contains a pick-me-up.
Water contains bacteria.
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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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If at all, I drink proper coke, because I don't like chemical sh*t storm.
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Exactly this, even if to be honest normal Coke is probably only a tad less chemicals than Diet and Zero. Diest is evil, I had an ex-coworker who almost died because of the faked sugar (Is it called aspartam also in Engelish ?). My lessons learned is : if you want to eat unhealthy things, then go for original, because everything else is worse.
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Zero because I prefer the taste. I loved the first version of Coke Zero, it tasted like petroleum and I loved it. Second version was the bset, the new one is a bit too sweetened for my tastes.
I can no longer dring normal coke though, it leaves my mouth all pasty for all the sugars.
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Diet Coke. Don't need the sugar in full test Coke. That and I don't like the taste of it. Zero tastes too much like full test.
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I just drink a quarter of a litre of water and eat six tablespoons of sugar.
It reduces the weight of the weekly shopping by 37%, while having no effect on my sugar and water intake.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Hey everybody, I’m new here and in the market for a new career.
I'm seeking some advice on if I can realistically self-teach myself programming in a few months, or even do a 3 month “boot camp” and be job-ready?
I come from a more traditional place of having to get 3-5 year degrees… so I’d like to confirm if the above is actually possible or realistic? I’m 27, pretty good with computers generally, and hungry for a good job. However, i'm not a genius or anything.
The TLDR part of my story… trying to summarise as best I can:
-My 6 year relationship with my ex ended 4 months ago, pretty much shattered my world.
-I have a masters degree in architecture from 2015, I did 6 months post-graduate work which I didn’t enjoy and ended up leaving to run a business with my (now ex) partner. Now that’s just ended, I’m needing to find a job.
-I’ve got enough savings to last me a year without work, but I really want to get something ASAP.
-I’m applying to get back into architecture places, but not super keen on it. The job market is also pretty bad, not many opportunities and not great pay.
-I’ve been interested in programming before but never made a leap to study it or anything – nows the time though if its going to happen.
-I looked on seek and saw heaps of jobs with good pay and good future predicted growth, which is why I’m taking another look at it now.
So… is it possible to self-teach, or do a 3 month boot camp and be job-ready? How easy is it to get a job? I’m living in Melbourne (Australia).
Any advice / tips / ideas are appreciated!
Thanks guys
modified 12-May-19 11:48am.
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Warning; first part sounds harsh, but read on. There's never a TL,DR in the documentation
m4444 wrote:
I'm seeking some advice on if I can realistically self-teach myself programming in a few months, or even do a 3 month “boot camp” and be job-ready?
How about brain-surgery in 21 days?
Yes, you can learn some basics, but not enough for me to consider hiring you. The kids coming from the schools here have at least spent three years learning to code, have done 2 projects in a working-environment, and are fairly cheap. Why would I take someone older with an introductory course?
m4444 wrote: I’m 27, pretty good with computers generally, and hungry for a good job.
..you should also be willing to say goodbye to a part of your social life, and accept that while you program, you will be learning. You can't stop after x months and proclaim you're there - you'd have to learn continuously, also besides having a job.
m4444 wrote: -I have a masters degree
We're used to that. Most companies will ask you to write a short piece of code to prove you can actually write code.
m4444 wrote: -I’ve got enough savings to last me a year without work, but I really want to get something ASAP.
Get the book "head first c#", try understanding it within a month. Once you have gotten that into your head, you should jump into the semi-deep water and do a small project. Also, you should be daily on this site, after that month, trying to answer the easier questions you can scout. Most of them can be solved by reading the documentation, and it will expand your knowledge faster.
Before you begin, accept that it will not be a fun time, and the reward for the labor will come a lot later.
m4444 wrote: -I looked on seek and saw heaps of jobs with good pay and good future predicted growth, which is why I’m taking another look at it now.
Hahaha, "good predicted growth" is an empty sales-promise. I predict someone selling you a bridge
Employers will make room, if you are willing, hungry and capable - regardless of the industry you're in. Don't expect to be making a fortune either. If you want money, you should become a banker.
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"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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Hi Eddy thanks for the reply.
Do you think something like this is bullshit then?
How to become a developer and get your first job as quickly as possible[^]
Essentially he says to become a "junior web developer" first, and to learn "learn.freecodecamp.org" (HTML, CSS, JavaScript), then learn Git, then vscode/ codepen ... then build a portfolio, add it to your CV, and start applying (and keep learning while applying for jobs).
I guess a difference is that he has an engineering degree, which seems to be kind of related to IT? Where as my degree in architecture is more about design...
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m4444 wrote: Do you think something like this is bullshit then?
How to become a developer and get your first job as quickly as possible
It is not entirely bullshit, but it is NOT as good as they try to sell you, and some of those camps, are not worth the costs they demand
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
modified 12-May-19 7:39am.
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m4444 wrote: Do you think something like this is bullshit then?
How to become a developer and get your first job as quickly as possible[^]
Yes. SEO doesn't belong in a devs portfolio, and building a basic website is a skill lots of people have, even those who aren't fulltime devs.
To a dev, debugging-knowledge is not a bonus, it is a requirement. If you can't debug, you're basically working blindfolded.
m4444 wrote: Essentially he says to become a "junior web developer" first
That's a very large title for someone who is limited to HTML, CSS and bootstrap.
m4444 wrote: and to learn "learn.freecodecamp.org" (HTML, CSS, JavaScript), then learn Git, then vscode/ codepen ... then build a portfolio, add it to your CV, and start applying (and keep learning while applying for jobs).
HTML and CSS aren't programming languages. So, basically they tell you to make a very basic website, with only the JavaScript part being actual programming.
Lots of people who have learned JavaScript as a hobby. They created lots of free JavaScript libraries, of varying qualities. Some of them will have made the move to professional programming.
m4444 wrote: I guess a difference is that he has an engineering degree, which seems to be kind of related to IT?
I know too many people with an IT-degree who can't tell the difference between JavaScript and C#. The article represent the "what you need" section too much as a job-offering, where you need to be interested in the latest frameworks, SEO and having wordpress as a desired skill. To me, it doesn't read like a roadmap to becoming a dev, but more something a recruiter would list as a profile. Meaning 50% fluff
Again, lots of people made the move to a paid programming job, coming from VB6 or webdesign. If they can, so can you - just don't expect it to be an easy ride.
m4444 wrote: Where as my degree in architecture is more about design...
I don't have one. Not really required in IT.
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If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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The harsh light of reality:
0) I'm going to go out on a limb here and say no, you most likely won't be "job-ready" in three months, and even at 6 months, it would be a stretch. BVeing a software developer requires a certain mind set and aptitude.
1) If you thought the pay was bad in the architectural business, wait till you try to find a job as a programmer with no formal programming (or even IT) related education.
2) I've been programming for 40 years, and still wonder if I'm "job-ready"...
3) I can't imagine how difficult it is to start out as a new programmer nowadays. You're going to have a rough time of it at first - the pay will suck, the hours will be long, and the job is generally thankless, with clueless managers basking in the glory of your efforts. You'll likely spend YEARS on a given project, only for it to be abandoned or marginalized, but you should look on the coding you did as a learning experience and move on.
Advice:
0) Get an account on Pluralsight. They have training for pretty much anything IT related you can imagine.
1) Develop strong google foo. If you can't google for the info you need, you'll be stuck buying books that will only be viable for a year or so (yes, the industry changes that fast).
2) I think it would be easier/faster to become a SQL developer than an actual application developer, because SQL will always be SQL and changes at a much less frenetic pace than does application development.
3) Even if you don't become a SQL developer, you still need to learn SQL for most jobs nowadays, on top of being an application developer.
4) You HAVE to be willing to write code as a hobby. Many times, you have to learn new tech for something you're going to be doing at work, and managers don't generally want you to "learn" on the job. They expect you to miraculously just know how to do shit that is only a few days old.
Other stuff:
0) The one bright light is that most of the tools you need will be free, so, silver linings.
1) Get decent modern hardware. At least a quad core CPU, a bare minimum of 16GB of RAM (32 would be better), and a SSD hard drive (they're really cheap compared to even a year ago). Beyond that, at least two monitors would be really useful as well.
2) When you think you're ready to get a job as a developer, read this article - Being a Programmer[^]
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#realJSOP wrote: you'll be stuck buying books that will only be viable for a year or so (yes, the industry changes that fast).
It's not like a book on .NET 2.0 is suddenly non-viable. How old is the head first c# thingy now?
#realJSOP wrote: 2) I think it would be easier/faster to become a SQL developer than an actual application developer, because SQL will always be SQL and changes at a much less frenetic pace than does application development.
I like my SQL92, yes, but querying a database is not development, and is not often asked as a standalone skill. If someone is designing a database, you'll need to know a few things more than just SQL.
But yes, your post is spot on
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