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11-Apr-19 1:49

Clearly you are not an Insider. Poke tongue | ;-P

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Super Lloyd11-Apr-19 1:53

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11-Apr-19 1:53

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Vscode phones home?

theoldfool10-Apr-19 8:33

theoldfool

10-Apr-19 8:33

Say it ain't so, Satya. Smile | :)

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Hmmm, who CAN you trust?

If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.

Dean Roddey10-Apr-19 9:04

Dean Roddey

10-Apr-19 9:04

It tells you if new versions are available, so obviously it has to phone home at least some to do that.

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theoldfool10-Apr-19 11:29

theoldfool

10-Apr-19 11:29

Well, it seems like I put a smiley there.
If I was paranoid, I would just block it at the firewall.

I am NOT paranoid (they really are out to get me). )Another Smile | :)

You guys sure are touchy about this stuff. Sniff | :^)

If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.

ZurdoDev11-Apr-19 1:51

11-Apr-19 1:51

theoldfool wrote:
You guys sure are touchy about this stuff.

I didn't read it that way. I thought they were giving you a valid reason for it to call home. Nothing more.

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Deflinek10-Apr-19 9:16

Deflinek

10-Apr-19 9:16

OK, just trying to figure out who is the target audience here Smile | :)

You must be "somewhat" paranoid (you means potential target user, not the OP )
Paranoid enough that network monitor after you turn the telemetry off is not enough to convince you that it is really off, but not too much paranoid or you wouldn't even consider using Microsoft product.
Having access to the source code you are not willing or be able to build this thing yourself. I was going to say "lazy" here because the mere fact you want this thing should imply you know how to build an app but there may be other cases why it's not going to happen (I didn't try it myself so I don't know how complicated it is to build VSCode).

So considering 1 & 2 you are going to trust some random guy that says he built it for you. Good, now you can be sure there is no pesky tracking because he said so Big Grin | :-D

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Forogar 10-Apr-19 9:30

Forogar

10-Apr-19 9:30

I wouldn't use that. Why should I care if MS knows if i have installed VSCode or not. They need to know if it is worth working on after all.

...and why, if you are not the trusting kind, should you trust some random stranger instead?

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Dave Kreskowiak10-Apr-19 10:45

10-Apr-19 10:45

And?

Do you have any idea how many application send usage data back to their vendors? MS doesn't have a monopoly on this, not even close.

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Mark_Wallace10-Apr-19 11:50

Mark_Wallace

10-Apr-19 11:50

Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
Do you have any idea how many application send usage data back to their vendors? MS doesn't have a monopoly on this, not even close.

So it's a good thing, then.

Thanks for sorting that out for us.

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Dave Kreskowiak10-Apr-19 13:31

10-Apr-19 13:31

Oh I never said it was a good thing. I just said MS wasn't the only one who does it.

I trust companies about as far as I can throw them. Their mantra is "profit at all costs", so they take whatever data they can get and sell it to advertisers or whoever wants it.

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Mark_Wallace10-Apr-19 19:10

Mark_Wallace

10-Apr-19 19:10

So what we need is governance, and privacy laws.

And a few executives sent to prison for breaking those laws fines might be good for the exchequer, but they'll just be considered as running costs, like legal fees.

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ZurdoDev11-Apr-19 1:56

11-Apr-19 1:56

Mark_Wallace wrote:
privacy laws.

I agree. I feel so violated when I find out that my software checked for updates on its own. It's infuriating. Mad | :mad:

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Dave Kreskowiak11-Apr-19 2:10

11-Apr-19 2:10

It's not the update check. I don't have a problem with update checks.

It's the "usage data" that's being sent back.

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ZurdoDev11-Apr-19 2:15

11-Apr-19 2:15

Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
It's the "usage data" that's being sent back.

Good point. That offends me just as much. I feel violated when they know that I used their app for 3 hours today. Wink | ;)

Seriously, is any of the data they send back confidential? I could be wrong but I don't see the harm in them sending back anything they want (with respect to using their app.)

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Dave Kreskowiak11-Apr-19 2:24

11-Apr-19 2:24

So, how do you know what they're sending back? What data did the app collect?

Considering Facebook and Google both collect as much data as they can on you, even if you're not users of their stuff!, what is are the apps you DO use collecting?

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ZurdoDev11-Apr-19 2:42

11-Apr-19 2:42

When we can't define a fear it is an irrational fear.

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Dave Kreskowiak11-Apr-19 3:14

11-Apr-19 3:14

It's only irrational if you don't try to verify it, understand it, research it, and combat it. The irrational ones just skip all the intermediary steps and go straight to combating it.

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Dave Kreskowiak11-Apr-19 2:12

11-Apr-19 2:12

Mark_Wallace wrote:
So what we need is governance, and privacy laws.

And a few executives sent to prison for breaking those laws fines

Considering government is nearly always made up of those very people, and their lawyers, it's very unlikely that's ever going to happen.

Mark_Wallace wrote:
they'll just be considered as running costs, like legal fees

That is pretty much how it works today.

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Super Lloyd10-Apr-19 14:38

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10-Apr-19 14:38

You can trust Huawei! Poke tongue | ;-P

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