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Abbas A. Ali wrote: Apparently they are now putting it in there contract Google will force Android phone makers to issue regular security updates
I mentioned I have 3 Android tablets - I actually have one more, but it's so old now that I've stopped using it entirely.
So Google's promise now is that if only I bought a fifth tablet, they would really, really, for real this time, pinky swear, keep it up to date?
Can you understand my skepticism? I've already dropped over a grand on this abandonware platform. Pardon me for feeling stupid if I were to continue that and expect a different result.
Abbas A. Ali wrote: but these are just security updates, OS will probably remain the same.
Funny how I can take the crappiest computer I still have and install the most current version of Windows 10 on it. Or plenty of Linux distributions. Yet Android devices are completely stuck in time.
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I would only ask that if this is your desire why do you not own pure Android devices? Nexus/Pixel devices are always on the latest and if you are willing to root after they stop receiving updates from Google you can install third-party ROM's that will keep you running even further. For example, my OG Motorola Droid is currently running Android 4.1 even though they stopped supporting it at 2.2.3.
That's a far cry from 8.0 currently but I don't think running Win10 on a machine that could only handle Win98 is going to be very functional either. WinXP maybe...
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Wartickler wrote: I would only ask that if this is your desire why do you not own pure Android devices? Nexus/Pixel devices are always on the latest
Had the Pixel series existed at the time I bought my newest Android tablet, I would've looked at it.
As for the Nexus - I've never seen 'em in person, and I'm underwhelmed by what I'm finding on Amazon right now. Why are they not all over the place? And WTF's with this $4300 tablet??
Wartickler wrote: I don't think running Win10 on a machine that could only handle Win98 is going to be very functional either. WinXP maybe
At least you have a choice. I wouldn't mind leaving my oldest tablet in the kitchen as nothing but an appliance showing the Weather Network's forecast page, but nowadays, its browser's so old most pages won't render properly. If I could run a more recent browser - which requires a more recent OS - then I'd get some mileage out of it, even if it's slow (who cares - it'd only need to display a static screen, updated maybe once an hour).
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I haven't used Pixel but Nexus, I have two of them and let me tell you they are not something you wanna own as a consumer, they are practically overly rated phones. They have the same OS, same features and they are almost never consistently updated sometimes in the name of leaving the past behind, sometimes backwards compatibility is an issue, sometimes they've got better/newer things to do or sometimes they are just plain lazy.
Quote: you can install third-party ROM's
Could do that effort and lose time, money and let the corporate world win. I agree with @dandy72 on this one. Tablets are a waste of time with no real use. Come to think of it so are the smartphones but atleast they are more frequently updated and you do need to keep in touch with people living outside your own head.
PS I only have 4 tablets cause I am an Android Dev and need to keep the app up to date with Tablet screens.
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I'm just saying I'm beyond frustrated with Android, I despise Apple as a company, and IMO Windows 10 on a tablet is just contrived (not to suggest I don't like my Surface tablets - just that Windows in that form factor isn't a great experience).
So, this state of the tablet market leaves me rather uninterested. Which is why I don't feel compelled to get a newer tablet even if I'm promised it'll be kept up to date.
As for whether tablets in general are "waste of time with no real use"...well, maybe that's harsh, I could agree or disagree on different days. I'm not a phone fan, because here again the only real options are Android and iOS.
Where am I going with this? The only thing I'm sure of is that even though I'm very much a gadget guy, I simply don't feel very excited about the current options. That's all.
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Quote: Google's promise now is that if only I bought a fifth tablet, they would really, really, for real this time, pinky swear, keep it up to date?
Yeah I can, I am not some android supporter just an Android Dev who just keeps an eye out for the latest news. BTW if you really want that 4th tablet to use (put on the kitchen shelf) you could either update with the available ROMs (as suggested by @wartickler) or write your own weather app. Though I should warn you if it is a pre lollipop tablet you may run into non availability of TLS Version compatibility issue which may or may not be fixable. Till kitkat they are fixable! Before them, I have no idea.
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Locked down ROM. I've spent quite a bit of time investigating that years ago but gave up (it's really not a popular name - I forget exactly what it is, it's been sitting in a drawer for years).
As I don't have much of an interest in writing Android apps at this point, writing my own app would be a terrible use of my time - these days, I can barely convince myself to write Windows code in my spare time.
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I disable Windows Update since 2004. Guess why?
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Because all your machines remain offline all the time and thus it's not important for any of them to ever be updated?
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Because in 14 years I never, ever got any security problems thanks to antivirus and firewalls? And that's even on production machines that are on 24/7 still running Windows 2000.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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That's pretty much what I was saying. If you never take out a Windows 2000 machine for a spin on the internet, then yeah, who cares about keeping it up to date...
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They are on the Internet. With appropriate company-wide firewalls and no monkey allowed to surf the web with it there are 0 problems at all.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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den2k88 wrote: no monkey allowed to surf the web with it
DING! DING! DING!
That's the key right there. 
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It's ![Elephant | [mastadon]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/elephant.gif) ing July.
AND THERE HAS JUST BEEN AN ing CHRISTMAS AD ON THE TV! 
Kill the ad agency, and it's friends, it's family - unto the third generation. You can leave it's pets alive, they didn't get a choice. FFS. July!
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Around 1980 they used to have 'Christmas in July' sales everywhere, reasoning that this gives you six months to pay of all the christmas presents you have to buy. Or in other words: Hand over all your money six months earlier,
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Isn't that a thing already?
Around here, some businesses think they're being smart by running "Christmas in July" sales.
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Christmas every day, brother Griff.
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Elmo found out that was a recipe for disaster.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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Merry Christmas!
P.S. These ad guys are good. You are thinking about Christmas already.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Kill the ad agency, and it's friends, it's family - unto the third generation.
That's not in the spirit of Christmas... 
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I'M
NOT
FEELING
CHRISTMASSY.
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Don't you start! Bristol isn't that far away ... 
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I won't repeat what I think of the ad agency, except to say they are bunch of utter tw*ts
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare
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