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I never used it actually, always used the command line! 
In fact I dont know why Rage is finding this difficult, as an engineer this should be easy, and it certainly is easier than when getting .net to work properly when windows decides to screw you around!
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It is not difficult, it is only a PITA. 
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As far as updating anything on Linux goes, I prefer the command line as well.
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
Or just
yum update
Done. Most GUI-based package managers require an awful lot of clicks by the time you're done. Not to mention that they often hide in different menus on different distributions and I can never remember where to find them.
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dandy72 wrote: Not to mention that they often hide in different menus on different distributions and I can never remember where to find them.
Yeah, that is true.
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Debian is a bit harsh. Ubuntu is more friendly.
Just try to do anything from the Windows command prompt and you are going to bless Linux.
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Rage wrote: There is nothing out there that makes you want to deep dive into it, unless you have countless hours to lose doing and redoing the same all over again.
What do you do for a living? We do something only twice, for the first and the last time.
(Captain Kirk voice) Lazyness is our business!
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
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Rage wrote: I have to write a sudo command in front of all other commands just for rights elevation (Really ?)
Yes 
Rage wrote: Mind you, I had to do everything over the command line because of ssh remote connection, so it is probably easier going over the desktop.
Clicking through a thousand menu's in an ever-changing UI is easier than executing a script on a command line?
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Rage wrote: so it is probably easier going over the desktop.
No it isn't. The desktop environments I've worked with don't support anything but basic BS, and even then, doing something like moving a file from one folder to another can be a WTF experience. For example, I couldn't even change the date/time on my BeagleBone from the LXE desktop.
Rage wrote: But I still think this remains a geek activity.
Absolutely. And in particular, the nasty kind of narcissistic, masochistic, self-flagellating with delusions of godhood kind of geek. Klingons run in terror from these geeks.
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It's changed, the UNIX world that is (Linux acolytes gasping). Back when I did Unix for a living, I had to deal with Sun OS, Solaris (Sparc, x86), HPUX, AIX, and I am almost certain I'm missing one, ha! Ultrix and Digital Unix. It all depended on what machine the customer wanted host our hardware.
Although all of these flavors had their differences, there was a general method to the madness.
This: The Red Book[^] saved my life. Then came Linux. I guess this is the follow on:
The not so red book[^]
I remember fond days of vi, *easily* configuring the network, NEVER having to worry about drivers other than my own, etc.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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For one of my classes in college...I don't remember if it was C or Unix...probably Unix.
I chose Coherent[^]. I have no idea why, but I did.
So when Linux came around, I wasn't all that wowed by someone who wrote their own version of Unix. 
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Rage wrote: I have to write a sudo command in front of all other commands just for rights elevation (Really ?) or continuously switch between root session and own session.
By that, do you mean you actually login with the root account, run your commands, then switch back to the original account?
Are you not familiar with 'su' as an alternative to sudo?
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su is bad practice, or so the internet told me. sudo -i instead.
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If it saves you from entering 'sudo' in front of 10 different commands in a row, then frankly I see nothing in running su, running the 10 commands, then exit.
Besides - logging in as root is just as bad IMO, if not worse, because once you've logged in, who wants to constantly switch back and forth between sessions...?
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Well - being a carpenter (i.e., DIY) is hard, too (for example).
All sorts of wood; all sorts of nails, hammers, saws, clamps, and then you got to have some experience if you wish to make anything other than sawdust and splinters.
Others hire out their work - and have to take what they get (Windows 10, for example) . . . and/or overseas contract work that tends to lean awkwardly and is never quite finished.
So tell us the missing key bit: is this your first adventure with Linux*?
If yes - a bit more reading ahead could have had you better prepared
If no - then you knew what you were getting into, so why the complaint?
All those people, places, and things that run on Linux do so not despite what you perceive as hardships but because it gives them what they want.
* Or, the first time when it actually counted for something?
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W∴ Balboos wrote: If yes - a bit more reading ahead could have had you better prepared
Well, this applies to everything...
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They all break so easily these days
Yes it's a shame to see people spending so much replacing phones,
but the real crime is for people like me that wait for somebody else to upgrade before their old one breaks.
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I just handed my old Note 4 down - to my 9yo granddaughter
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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So young and already a pacemaker. Sad.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
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Why should any manufacturer invest in producing longer-lasting phones when they know the vast majority of people will only keep it until their service contract is up for renewal?
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The 15 minute screen lock is driving me crazy. Take a call, finish, put in your password. Try to do a training session, locks partway through, put in password. Co-worker enters office, leaves, enter password. Seems I spend all day entering my password. Policy won't let me disable it! I bet the guy who came up with this, is the same guy who came up with the stupid password rules back in the 80's. Arghhh!!
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You do know how to fix this right? Or are you not an admin of your box.
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Ron Anders wrote: You do know how to fix this right? Or are you not an admin of your box.
Where the OP says policy, I bet he means Group Policy, so he will be locked out of making changes.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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You get 15 minutes?!?! I get 5 as deemed by Security. I'm entering my password to unlock about 150 times a day on about 20 machines.
What you're bitching about again?
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There is nothing like being a domain administrator (and I used my rights to cancel password renewal every 90 days  )...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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