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So what are you supposed to do when you're watching them try to hack in, right now? You have to have some way to stop them. I must say though, that the point made above about corrupt corps and such, is a very persuasive argument for hacking, which I really do agree with.
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Charles Programmer wrote: So what are you supposed to do when you're watching them try to hack in, right now?
If you have a system set up that allows you to actively monitor hack attempts and you do so then I am guessing that you probably have a system that isn't going to be hacked. Or at least the chance goes way down.
In contrast many post analysises of hacked systems reveal little or effectively no attention to any security at all. Even those that pay lip service to doing exactly that (google for the security company that was hacked via social hacking.)
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Absolutely!
However, as anything, the concept can be abused and it could be used recklessly ending up on causing damage to people that has nothing to do with it.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Acceptable. This will create a good question for the law enforcement. Who are the hackers to catch?
TOMZ_KV
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Yes. And to those that say "All hacking is Wrong!", wake up and smell the criminal in your house. If someone was holding a gun on you or a loved one, with intent to kill, and if you had the opportunity to kill that criminal before he could pull the trigger, would you hesitate for one instant?
Every individual has the right to self defense, to defend themselves defend themselves and their property. The only sane individual against "hacking back" is most likely to be someone that engages in hacking others to steal from them.
Hackers that get hacked themselves have no right to complain.
Contribute to society and the common good
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Ed Aymami wrote: Every individual has the right to self defense
Err...by definition this is not self defense. The crime has already occurred.
So your analogy is not apt. They already killed your loved one. You are just trying to get the body back.
Self defense would have been to take the time and money to defend the data in the first place.
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Back when I had winXP I kept a copy of ping.exe from win95 on it, so that I could send ping of death packets to the jerks.
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History has shown that revenge never ends well for anyone. With hacking being a crime in most places even leading to the death of hackers when they are caught by other citizens, it is not the safest thing to do in the first place. Revenge hacking ,therefore, is for fools (in my not so humble opinion.)
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The problem as I see it, is that many hackers hide in foreign countries, like Russia, where they are beyond the reach of our law enforcement agencies. Should we just sit passively by and let these miscreants spread their misery unpunished because they are physically out of reach? If we do, then we are indeed fools! In such cases revenge hacking is justified and a proper course of action.
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
modified 22-Sep-17 10:22am.
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Hmmm....
"“Given that most attacks do not come straight from the attackers’ computers, rather they are routed through systems that have been compromised along the way, a hack back could do damage to innocent systems without ever reaching the bad guys,” Hilbert said. Eventually, all five companies gave up out of fear of getting caught, Hilbert added."
So the argument is that a company, whose security is so lax that they are being used as a proxy, is untouchable?
Not sure I really agree with that. As a moral position (I understand the legal one.)
Too many places I have been where when I say "that isn't safe" the response is "we don't have time for that".
One need only look to Equifax for a breach via a known exploit.
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As a related note, I was able to read a report that one must generally spend a great deal of money to obtain around 2007 or so. From a company that did post analysis of data breeches at companies. This would include ones made public and ones that were not.
The conclusion for that year was that 90% of breeches were instigated by insiders.
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Hacking by insiders must surely be a criminal offense. Insider perpetrators are accessible to local law enforcement agencies, unlike hackers in a foreign country, and they should be dealt with by the criminal justice system.
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Can Medium.com[^] be eroding into CP's strong hold? In particular the first-time authors of tech articles. Though Medium.com is a pile of mixed content , It might gradually start to have more technical articles, mainly from young authors who is writing about Kotlin, Swift, React, Vu.js or anything that's buzzing around freshly. These people might not know the legendary nature of CP, they might not get a chance to know.
I could all be wrong. Just a heads-up! Chris is watching?
I'm sure we wouldn't be wanting to have a dejavu of this phenomena like, Stackoverflow taking over the whole "technical discussion" department all of a sudden. It all happened like a navy seal mission. One fine day there was this thing called stackoverflow.com and a planet of tech aliens discussing topics as if CP discussion forums never existed.
Just a sample from Medium.com[^]
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
modified 20-Sep-17 6:50am.
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Netlog, Splinder, MySpace (and many others) docet.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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Sites like Medium, etc. will not put Code Project out of business, ever.
Stack Overflow, Medium, and others have their place in our industry as does Code Project - they co-exist.
Frankly, I think your post is trying to cause unnecessary panic.
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Slacker007 wrote: unnecessary panic
What shall I do now with the rope I bought?
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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Make a novelty flower holder?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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megaadam wrote: What shall I do now with the rope I bought?
Have you still got the receipt? If not, then help yourself to some necessary panic! 
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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A ladder!
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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Slacker007 wrote: Frankly, I think your post is trying to cause causing unnecessary panic.
I don't think Vunic is willingly trying to cause panic 
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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Slacker007 wrote: Frankly, I think your post is trying to cause unnecessary panic.
Golden rule : Those who fret, stays relevant in the industry. I'm sure Chris is aware what he needs to do. Like I said, I could all be wrong. I'm just posting my view of things.
I do train fresh developers to make them employable in companies. Training on basics like OOAD, devops , Agile , etc. As part of my role in my job. I've interacted with 60+ developers, none of them have a vivid idea about CP. They talk well about Google I/O, Apple events & other sites but not CP. A huge % of their technical knowledge, as I observed, is attributed to Youtube.
At the end of sessions I do make sure I take this survey to know if they are aware of sites like "Stackoverflow, Codeproject, MSDN". I just generalize and check how they react. I see a clear distinct acknowledgement for SO but not CP, MSDN. May be I did interact with a specific cohort of developers who never had a need/chance to look into CP. I'm not sure.
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
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Vunic wrote: I've interacted with 60+ developers, none of them have a vivid idea about CP.
Vunic wrote: A huge % of their technical knowledge, as I observed, is attributed to Youtube.
They have to read and to think here. Probably that's why they need your training to make them employable for companies too. 
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
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Nelek wrote: They have to read and to think here. Probably that's why they need your training to make them employable for companies too
You said it right. They bubble up with energies & do not care to read about anything in-depth. They just turn a code sample into a working code for their purpose in no time. And a majority of start-ups is looking for these type of grasshoppers who can do something quick on the UI and call it an App and try to sell it. I see how the work-flow is happening.
1. For example, for an Android App - Sample code is given in Android documentation site itself. They take it, put it into blocks of working code & try to achieve what they wanted to, for their requirement.
2. When they are struck, they go straight to stackoverflow and post questions.(and spam them lol)
3. When on earth, they'd get a chance to get into sites like CP? unless there's some direction given to them?
My job is make them buy right books, direct them to sites like CP & let them understand what it means to develop a career out of "Software Engineering".
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
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Vunic wrote: 2. When they are struck, they go straight to stackoverflow and post questions.(and spam them lol)
3. When on earth, they'd get a chance to get into sites like CP? unless there's some direction given to them?
Then I would say... STOP DOING IT
I can see a direct correlation between you starting your training and the increasing amount of DO'H and WTF questions in the Q&A
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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