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RJOberg wrote: and never look right on a mobile interface
I hate it when some idiot in management dictates that a full-blown desktop app "look just like the mobile version" (or vice versa). No matter which direction we're talking about, the UI suffers on BOTH platforms because of the limitations imposed by attempting to do that.
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Vunic wrote: they make option A super cool
They are unleashing one of the many cognitive biases as a weapon upon others.
Confirmation bias - Wikipedia[^]
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Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
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Vunic wrote: The responsibility of an UI/UX team is to provide different options to answer a particular UX/UI requirement.
Instead of working on equally good multiple options , they make option A super cool & make option B,C,. totally pathetic, so that the people reviewing the options, all heap up quick towards A & scream. "Lets go with A!, A.A..A!!"
That description sounds like the situation where a UX designer, not implementer, should be in place.
Especially since that should be part of requirements gathering and not implementation.
Vunic wrote: Now I've started spotting out this pattern, And I've replied them back. "A is all fine, but can't we get a chance to see a review-worthy B,C"?
Why are you in the process at all? Are you the architect, product owner or customer?
Or is perhaps the current process is that other developers are being asked to provide an opinion?
Perhaps it would be better to look into one of the UI demo tools rather than looking for actual implementations. The tools provide the ability to interact with the UI being targeted.
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I think you have "corporate" on your mind.
In a start up, everybody is given a chance to look at things and provide feedback.
But still we got some clear boundaries defined. Developers can't take the final call when it comes to UX.
It's UX/UI team that takes the final call, but only when there's nobody on the top (Directors, Product manager) veto-ing it down.
We don't actually drag something for days. We sit and debate for hours usually if there are equal alternates and we got two blocks of people supporting alternate options. We quickly break the arguments into data points, do the merits/demerits table and drop the one that has more demerits.
This could be on different levels of requirement. Some are as tiny as a logo design. Some are on Customer interaction flow, which is core of a product. Some are on the advertisements/campaign making etc.
Its a pretty interesting stuff. We all love to take part in.
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
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Vunic wrote: In a start up, everybody is given a chance to look at things and provide feedback.
Yes I have worked in many start ups. In the last 15 years every company I have worked at (5 or 6) has been a start up.
However one must still differentiate between design and implementation especially when that is what is going on. Especially in a start up.
The description of your situation is that someone (or several) are implementing several examples and then seeking input on those examples even though one is only fully implemented. Where implemented is the key word there.
The primary problem is that if one is fully implemented then, generally for a startup, one shouldn't encourage the cost of doing the other implementations anyways. The general layout often will not matter. If someone considers that it does matter, either in some or all of the cases, and one doesn't want to use a demo only tool then one should use whiteboarding to layout several designs, keep it within an hour or so, and then implement the result of that.
Vunic wrote: We don't actually drag something for days. We sit and debate for hours usually if there are equal alternates and we got two blocks of people supporting alternate options.
In a start up that sounds like a problem especially if it is going on all the time. Either there is no leader or they are not doing their job. For a moderately sized UI most views should be self evident. Less than 10% should have enough complexity that more than one presentation is even likely (much less needing a decision.)
Vunic wrote: Its a pretty interesting stuff. We all love to take part in
But keep in mind there is a cost. Every developer sitting in on those meetings is not doing something else to get the product ready for rollout.
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What comes first is the concept, then the wire frame, then the theme, & finally the implementation.
We get to choose between options in most of these stages.
And UX guys what we got at the moment, I believe they are one of the quickest ones around.
What gets chosen finally , only will get into implementation, Yup nobody can afford to try multiple "implementation".
jschell wrote: But keep in mind there is a cost. Every developer sitting in on those meetings is not doing something else to get the product ready for rollout.
"Meetings" I dread this word. It's a general curse in the corporate world too, i.e irrelevant people sitting in irrelevant meetings.
There is NO meeting in our teams, unless there's a genuine need. We just circulate the contents through slack. Anybody can open the docs and provide their feedback. By no means, they can point to this voluntary participation in reviews , as a reason for a delay in their actual deliverables. Things are pretty straight forward and easy for the team to understand. 99% of the folks never needed any teaching on how they've to save time & be efficient etc.
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
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Vunic wrote: What comes first is the concept, then the wire frame, then the theme, & finally the implementation.
We get to choose between options in most of these stages.
Then I must be missing something because I don't know how one of those stages can produce something where one option is objectively better but yet the others would be just as good if something else were done to them. Excluding of course that one option just is better (thus the 'implementation' of each stage is not the differentiating factor.)
Vunic wrote: There is NO meeting in our teams,
Each developer is still spending time.
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All of our collective powers - can we not stop this horrible nauseating disgusting and despicable trend wherein one reads a (news) report of some sort and they say things like:
" _______ tweeted . . . " or "_______ posted on their FaceBook page"
and similar insane citations?
Any solutions to stopping the growing din of the intellectual flushing sound?
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If only!
The full template is - "X tweeted Y about Z and now here's an op-ed piece about how we suffer from an era of soundbite politics."
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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I tweeted about this the other day.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Any solutions to stopping the growing din of the intellectual flushing sound?
What intelligence? All I hear is the flushing. So no solution, because people sh*t. Technology only gives them other ways to sh*t, other than through their a**.
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The problem is:
The internet has put the power in the hands of the people. So now those who used to control everything are in a struggle to remain relevant.
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No - they can higher all the posters they need for whatever need they want.
Russia and China (&etc.) haven't wasted this opportunity to fool those gullible enough to think they've gained control.
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Shut down Twitter and Facebook altogether?
Think of all the extra free time people would now have on their hands...
[Edit]
I swear some morning TV shows exist only to report what's happening on Twitter/Facebook, for those people who don't go there themselves. Seriously, the stuff on those sites should only exist on those sites.
modified 12-Sep-17 10:36am.
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I think it would be terrific if some respectable news outlet could take the lead:
If some important clown tweets something, the comments about that are posted on Twitter only. And likewise for Farcebook posts.
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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Facebook has been around since 2004...with a mission to give people the power to share and make the world more open and connected with a top priority to build useful and engaging products that enable people to connect and share through mobile devices,personal computers, and other surfaces.They also help people discover and learn about what is going on in the world around them,enable people to share their opinions, ideas, photos and videos, and other activities with audiences ranging from their closest friends to the public at large, and stay connected everywhere by accessing their products
including:
• Facebook. Facebook enables people to connect, share, discover, and communicate with each other on mobile devices and personal computers. There are a number of different ways to engage with people on Facebook, the most important of which is News Feed which displays an algorithmically-ranked series of stories and advertisements individualized for each person.
• Instagram. Instagram enables people to take photos or videos, customize them with filter effects, and share them with friends and followers in a photo feed or send them directly to friends.
• Messenger. Messenger allows for a rich and expressive way to communicate with people and businesses alike across a variety of platforms and devices, which makes it easy to reach almost everyone
seamlessly and securely.
• WhatsApp. WhatsApp Messenger is a fast, simple and reliable messaging application that is used by people around the world and is available on a variety of mobile platforms.
• Oculus. Their Oculus virtual reality technology and content platform power products that allow people to enter a completely immersive and interactive environment to play games, consume content, and connect with others.
They generate substantially all of their revenue from selling advertising placements to marketers. Their ads let marketers reach people based on a variety of factors including age, gender, location, interests, and behaviors. Marketers purchase ads that can appear in multiple places including on Facebook, Instagram, and third-party applications and websites.
They are also investing in a number of longer-term initiatives, such as connectivity efforts and artificial intelligence research, to develop technologies that they believe will help us better serve our communities and pursue our mission to make the world more open and connected.
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Twitter gives everyone the power to create and share ideas and information instantly without barriers. Their service is live—live commentary, live connections, live conversations. Whether it is breaking news, entertainment, sports, or everyday topics, hearing about and watching a live event unfold is the fastest way to understand the power of Twitter. Twitter has always been considered a "second screen" for what is happening in the world and they believe they can become the first screen for everything that is happening now. And by doing so, they believe they can build the planet’s largest daily connected audience.
Their strategy for 2016 consisted of the following objectives:
Their Users . They are committed to refining their core service to better enable people to more easily create, share and consume content that is important to them. As part of that strategy, the focused on live streaming video, which they believe is a strong complement to the live nature of Twitter. They also worked toward giving their creators and influencers better tools to build and connect with their fans and audience through Twitter. Finally, they intend to invest more resources in making their platform safer by implementing technology to better detect the use of repeat abusive accounts, making it simpler for our users to report multiple abusive Tweets or accounts, and giving people simpler tools to curate and control their experience on Twitter.
Their Advertisers . Their three main initiatives to improve their advertisers’ ability to connect with their customers are: (i) building a rich canvas for marketers by incorporating additional features such as video into our Promoted Products, (ii) increasing advertisers’ return on investment, or ROI, with improved measurement, bidding and relevance capabilities and (iii) increasing advertisers’ scale and reach by leveraging Twitter’s unique global audience.
Their Developers. They are committed to providing a platform for developers to build, grow, and generate revenue with their sites and apps. In turn, they believe that these sites and apps provide them with strategic value by enabling us to demonstrate the importance of Tweets and extend their reach beyond Twitter.
Products and Services for Users
Twitter. Twitter is a global platform for public self-expression and conversation in real time. By developing a way for people to consume, create, distribute and discover content, Twitter has democratized content creation and distribution. The audience for Twitter is not limited to our logged-in users on the Twitter platform, but rather extends to a larger global audience.
The public nature of the Twitter platform allows them and others to extend the reach of Twitter content beyond their properties. Media outlets and our platform partners distribute Tweets beyond our properties to complement their content by making it more timely, relevant and comprehensive. These outlets and partners also add value to our user experience by contributing content to their platform. Many of the world’s most trusted media outlets, including the BBC, CNN and Times of India, regularly use Twitter as a platform for content distribution.
Periscope and Vine. Their mobile application, Periscope, lets anyone broadcast and watch video live with others. They recently added the ability to broadcast from a GoPro camera, and to watch any broadcast live from a Tweet. Pairing Periscope with Twitter gives broadcasters greater distribution (anywhere a Tweet can be displayed, a Periscope can too) and the ability to integrate into our revenue products. Vine is a mobile application that enables users to create and distribute short looping videos of up to six seconds in length. We do not currently monetize videos on Periscope or Vine, other than to the extent they can be integrated into our revenue products.
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Re: bullet point enumerating platforms . . .
You managed to leave out how the information shared is a personally identifiable for identity theft, and the logging of locations and UI analysis of linkages a bonanza for invasion of privacy.
And you left out how people (if they still rate that title) have no life outside of those pathetic little screens - visual SOMA.
Even the mating ritual has decayed to the point where - naturally - they need for these platforms to find a mate is now becoming essential to the social skill-less drones we're developing.
And as far as the overall power-to-the-people preposition - haven't you noticed that large number of paid posters of all sorts have shifted the balance every further towards power-over-the-people.
abmv wrote: Many of the world’s most trusted media outlets, including the BBC, CNN and Times of India, regularly use Twitter as a platform for content distribution.
Further ludicrous pronunciation. They've not been reputable for a long time: BBC sensor by omission and editorializes in the name of news. CNN, years ago, let its content be censored by the local government (PLO at that time). For all intents and purposes, they're hardly better than Breitbart.
Basically, as the world goes to sh*t in pit, these 'beneficial programs' simply supply the lubricant.
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Now, if we could just find a way to say that in 140 characters ...
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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Given the comment, possibly soapbox material?
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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If he moves it to the soapbox, it'll be ok for me to suggest that Richard Branson tries asking the EU for help 
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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I don't have a problem with that! 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Munchies_Matt wrote: OK, bad taste, but couldn't help it.
Taken as a whole, when you post something like I must agree 100%.
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As an ex-serviceman with a well developed sense of black humour (it comes with the job) I'm afraid I laughed. 
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