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Kent Sharkey wrote: They're still working on that language?
They keep missing the bullseye. 
Marc
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Kent Sharkey wrote: They're still working on that language?
I believe its an important part of their Fuschia O/S plans, so we may yet have to come to terms with it (if Fuschia is not just a skunkworks project - hard to tell so far).
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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It's a biometric ring that can be used to open house doors, start cars, make credit card transactions and sign in to your computer. Uhm. "One ring"? No thanks. I saw those movies.
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I liked this comment: Quote: Token = Tolkien. I rest my case.
Seems of like mind to yours.
Personally think a bracelet would be better and safer, but combined with a thumb/fingerprint or a retina scan...
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Cute, but I don't wear jewelry.
Marc
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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The results are in. The Java Community Process executive committee (EC) has voted a second time on the Java Platform Module System, known as JSR 376, and it has been approved. They finally found the last piece of the jigsaw?
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Like earlier ransomware worm, PetyaWrap attacks use potent exploit stolen from the NSA. Incoming!!!
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Quote: ... uses the same potent National Security Agency exploit that allowed WCry to ...
What, you mean the exploit that was patched back in March?
The one where Microsoft even went the extra mile, and released patches for ancient unsupported versions of Windows?
Six weeks after the last massive ransomware attack that exploited that patched vulnerability, you'd think people might have got around to installing the patch that would have prevented this attack! 
Now we wait for the usual suspects to explain how Microsoft is "evil", and why Windows Update must be disabled on every computer they own. 
Troy Hunt: Don't tell people to turn off Windows Update, just don't[^]
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- Homer
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Google hit with record EU fine over Shopping service - BBC News[^]
Quote: The commission said it was leaving it to Google to determine what alterations should be made to its Shopping service rather than specifying a remedy.
Leaving the door open for further extortion at a later date. 
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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Preface: I'm definitely no expert on EU anti-trust laws or ad laws in general so correct me if I'm wrong.
So Google's success means it can't promote its own products? I would understand the anti-trust argument if Google had purposefully forced competitors out of the market but that isn't the argument here. If I search "Shopping" Google doesn't give me an entire page of nothing but its own shopping app. It's mentioned once.
Should Amazon be sued because they don't also sell their competitors products? In fact they don't even list them. When I think "online shopping" I think Amazon just like when I think "search engine" I think Google. Becoming the best at something because your competitors suck shouldn't be punished. I'm pretty sure anti-trust laws were only designed to prevent under-handed practices used to forcibly push competitors out of the market in order to gain a monopoly. That isn't the case here.
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I agree with you. The difference here, as I think the EU sees it, is that Google is also promoting itself as an ad service for third parties, some of whom are direct competitors to Google. So when Google gives higher priority and visibility to its own services and products than to those of paying customers (i.e. those competitors), that can be seen as being anti-competitive (not that I agree since said competitors probably knew this would be the case).
It's sort of like running a toll road and also having your own taxis but giving a free pass and faster service to your own taxis and transport vehicles. Of course, everyone will want to take your taxis rather than those of your competitors.
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I can see the next story now:
"The EU fined Google 5 billion for not promoting its own shopping service in search results, saying that Google was irresponsible in its fiduciary responsibilities as a corporation."
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As more vendors come to market with low-code platforms, it can be tempting to dismiss these as “dumbed down” or amateur app development. It can also mean fixup work for the pros as well
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Interesting: the author is an "evangelist" for FileMaker ... what ? I thought the last running version of FileMaker was on display in the software fossil section of the Smithsonian. Okay, that's too harsh; I just haven't orbited the Cult of Mac in too many years to have a clue.Quote: Maybe your customer only needs an app for a year, or maybe just a few months.
Reading this, the phrase "scratch-and-sniff" came to me mind, although it does resonate (feebly) with one of the golden rules of software development: "make sure your code creates continuous compensation over time ... for you, the programmer."
More seriously, the article doesn't discuss one single real-world example of what it calls "low-code/no code." I'm sure there are some.
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Unless I'm missing something aren't these "low-code/no-code" platforms just 4GL platforms? Why bother renaming them when they've been around since the 80s.
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Because everyone "knows" 4GL failed, so you need to give it a new label to sell? 
TTFN - Kent
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I know 5GL tripped on a doorstep, crashed into a table, had a lamp fall on its head, and got summarily executed, but I was actually unaware that 4GL suffered the same fate. I occasionally see 4GL-ish projects pop up here and there and figured it had found its niche. A couple months ago I even saw a posting here in the states for a developer familiar with 4GL languages to build some app.
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SQL is a pretty successful 4GL language I'd say.
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Yeah, and I'd say Excel+VBA/VB.NET/VSTO/C#-interop was/is, too.
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Very true. Giving it more thought I suppose 4GL did find its niche in "data languages" like query and report languages.
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Other examples would be Stata, Simulink and Wolfram.
I believe niche or specialized is the word here. I don't think 4GL will ever have a breakthrough among generic use.
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Only because 4GL was redefined. Originally, 4GL was "programming just like Legos!" (AI is also constantly doing the redefinition thing.)
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I've never heard SQL described as a 4GL.
The Wikipedia article provides (as usual) a good overview of different things considered 4GL.
Fourth-generation programming language - Wikipedia[^]
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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And SQL is in the list of examples if you follow your own link.
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Fair enough, my bad.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough."
Alan Kay.
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