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Sure, but google is a bunch of web services that makes no bones about the fact that they rely on advertising to provide the services.
Windows is an operating system, which is supposed to do no more than provide access to the hardware and software that users need to use to work/play/entertain themselves -- no-one "uses" an operating system directly; it's just a platform on which they can load the things that they actually use.
An operating system has no place reaping personal data from its users.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: An operating system has no place reaping personal data from its users.
Chrome OS. 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: no-one "uses" an operating system directly; it's just a platform on which they can load the things that they actually use.
Android
As for the rest, you're right - But one can turn it off. Save your energy to go berserk once they decide you shall not be able to turn it off.
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If you only use android, without all the google add-ons, you're safe-ish -- but an OS to make a phone useful is a completely different kettle of fish from an OS on a business machine or home PC.
Phones aren't about privacy; work is.
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Mark_Wallace wrote: privacy
Install a firewall and start whitelisting services you need to use. Honestly, this is the only way to be safe. For starters, you could also just change the OS settings, which is reasonably well enough and consumes less time.
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I go far further than that, but I'm not talking about me, and the hoops I jump through to make an OS behave itself; I'm talking about the OS that makes it necessary for me to do so.
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They show a dialog on installation, and one after the Creator's update.
That doesn't sound much like a hoop to me? After all, it's something used by billions of people, how can one expect to have the default settings matching their gusto?
Oh yeah, if MS knew that beforehand they could server you with the settings you want, but they'd need to access your data 
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The Creator Update has only just been released, so billions aren't using it just yet..
Take a look at the updated dialog during install^. You can see everything is switched "off" but the text still says they'll collect my data and push adverts to me.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: At the basic level, you'll be sending Microsoft less data to help fix errors you encounter
It has always been that way, ever since WER was introduced.
Windows Error Reporting - Wikipedia[^]
What did you expect when a memory dump was sent and you've been editing a document at the time everything went down?
IMHO we're talking about something rather hypothetical here.
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Well I'd expect when I select "off" (i.e. I've opted out) that no data is sent at all.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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That depends on what 'basic' means, if they're just sending crash logs I (personally) wouldn't care.
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Marco Bertschi (SFC) wrote: That depends on what 'basic' means
Yes, I agree. My main point is that on other OS's I can opt out if I want (I usually don't for crash reports) - Microsoft no longer allows that with this update.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: Relevant ads - Off, but says "The number of ads you see won't change but they may be less relevant to you." (I think I might prefer to enable an irrelevant ads feature in this case 
Where do you see ads in Windows? Perhaps I am blind but I don't see any on my win10. Do you have a free version? 
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I do not use Office and have notifications 10 times a day about it... and got tired to find how to turn it off...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I had a note about office upgrade show up last week. Clicked "don't remind me" or something and it hasn't shown up again. Is that the "ads" people are upset with?
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Could be. I have no idea what people are crapping themselves about anyways.
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I believe there is a setting to turn it on/off.
I don't have the tabletted style, so I'm fine without it.
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There was a setting. It's changed so you can only choose relevant or irrelevant ads 
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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My personal approach to this was throwing the tiles out from the start menu altogether.
Either I want a file and use [Windows] + [E] and browse to it.
Or I want to start a program and hit [Windows] and start typing, e.g. 'Visual' and then hit [Enter].
No need for a start menu, apart from the search. For me at least.
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The search box is where I've seen "suggested apps". Previous versions of Windows 10 allowed me to hide them, but I think that option has gone in this latest version.
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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Brent Jenkins wrote: Previous versions of Windows 10 allowed me to hide them, but I think that option has gone in this latest version.
Could be - Seems like I completely overlooked that until today.
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It's not a deal-breaker for me just yet.. depends how much they use it once they've got more convertees on board
Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.
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I thought they put the ads in the play-school block things,
so few (normal users) would see them.
Sin tack
the any key okay
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No idea.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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