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And shouldn't it be a monkey with a wooden leg?
(The memory chips in my brain do occasionally spit out memories)
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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He lost it in a small fire.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: a perfect shape of r = 23 cm.
But a perfect cylinder also needs a height.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Typo (sort of)... shape => sphere... 
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Ah, but a pluperfect cylinder would also need a height.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: Each evening the captain drinks 3 full mugs and a half
Of what?
If milk, then under 18.
If run, then 18 or older.
Disclaimer: depending on nationality, this might be younger. Given that he's a pirate, laws are probably ignored.
Marc
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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Do spheres have stomaches?
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ok in continuation to my previous post - previous post[^]
In counter offer, they have offered almost same package but along with development, IT management role as well (Tech Manager). So I need to take care of development bit (which is mostly outsourced but there might be new development projects), Filemaker and IT (server etc side). Now my role has always been into programming and this IT management is a new area.
If I leave, I will have to payback the 50% MBA fee that my current company sponsored. If I stay, I need to learn all this IT stuff. I am confused now. If I leave, I will be on trial for 3 months and the role is completely programming based.
Which role do you think has got more prospects in future? My ultimate goal is to move to management.
Thanks for all your suggestions.
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How happy you are at the current company, the workload differences between the jobs, ability to take risks (the 3mo trial), etc I have zero clue about and that stuff makes a huge impact on these kinds of decisions. That being said, if all else is relatively equal I'd go for the position which is more suited to my long-term goals. Might as well start moving up the ladder asap 
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It is hard to advise from the outside, but if you are well with the company, and if you are well with the persons, and if you really prefer the management (and don't go there only for the money), than stay... You have a better chance to climb in the next few years if you already have a half-time management job in a company you know (and the company knows you)...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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role is completely programming based
ultimate goal is to move to management
Well it's kinda obvious.
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For whom?
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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You're screwed, if you can't evaluate the prospects of the 2 offers and make a decision without referring to the hive mind then you will not make it in management (not as an effective manager at least).
Take the job that has the most programming content.
Caveat - this advice is from someone who has been dodging management positions for over 20 years!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I don't know, in my experience the best managers are those that indeed do seek advice.
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Seeking advice is one thing faffing about for and extended period of time is not a good sign. He got some excellent advice from his first post but still can't make a decision.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Point taken.
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Thanks Mycroft. I think I have come to a conclusion that I am going to stay considering the new challenges they have thrown my way and where I see myself in couple of years time. It will best to broaden my skill set rather than doing what am currently doing that is just programming.
Sometimes, it's really good to ask professionals about their view. I know lot of people said to move on but I think it will be better to stay at this point of time. May be I am doing a mistake but time will tell and both ways I will learn something for sure.
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I have been dodging management for decades, tried it once and found I was a really crappy manager. I think if you stick with your development the management opportunity will be thrust upon you sooner or later and then make the choice. Mind you a serious increase in income is always tempting 
Good luck with whichever path you decide to take.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Move. They are trying to scr*w you.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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Seriously, do not take advice from strangers. Decisions like this need to be based entirely on your own experience of your present company versus your expectations of the new one. Where do you see yourself three or five years from now, and which job do you think will get you there? Which is more important, being a programmer, being a manager, being paid more money, job satisfaction, location, fitting in with colleagues, etc. etc. ?
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Thanks Richard. That's what I am doing. I think I have come to a conclusion that I am going to stay considering the new challenges they have thrown my way and where I see myself in couple of years time. It will best to broaden my skill set rather than doing what am currently doing that is just programming.
Sometimes, it's really good to ask professionals about their view. I know lot of people said to move on but I think it will be better to stay at this point of time. May be I am doing a mistake but time will tell and both ways I will learn something for sure.
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Any change is a challenge, I hope thing work out well for you.
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cp-andy wrote: May be I am doing a mistake
And you can even learn from mistakes. I just read a book about success stories of several CEOs, and they all made a good bunch of huge mistakes as well, which is what the book was stressing out.
So do not worry 
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Taking a counteroffer is generally job suicide. Most people who take them leave within a year or two anyway because the stuff that made them look elsewhere still makes the job they stayed in suck, employers know this and frequently abuse them as a way to hold on to you just long enough to hire your replacement. At which point you're fired and don't have a new job lined up to move into.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Came across the drivel bullet points of a company's evaulation policies, which are broken down into three categories:
- Employee Behaviors
- Leader Behaviors
- Head of Business Area Behaviors
I was amused (not really) by the fact that creativity/innovation is listed only under "head of business area" behaviors:
Creativity / Innovation - Generates new ideas, challenges the status quo, takes risks, supports change, encourages innovation, solves problems creatively.
I guess they don't want the grunts to be creative. 
Marc
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny
Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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