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I left VS2017 downloading the redist package, last night.
Come in this morning, and, well, first of all, I couldn't find it, without using "sort by date" -- I mean, who downloads stuff to the root of the system drive, these days? And who would look there, after the instructions said "Make sure that you run the command from your Download directory"?
OK, so I open the dir, expecting to see a nice, 5GB iso file, but instead find 20+GB in five-hundred-odd directories, 380 of which contain only one file, and 97, two (with directory names like: Microsoft.VisualStudio.OfficeDeveloperTools.MicrosoftIdentityExtensions.Msi,version=15.0.26208.0,chip=x64), with no indication on how to split them up into DVD-sized chunks (DVDs are still cheaper, harder to lose, and safer in transport than memory sticks).
Seriously?
Is that the way we do things, now?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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banana ware as ever ...
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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Distributed computing. It's the latest fad.
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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I tried to find ISO image, too, and failed ...
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Hahaha ... a good one. Perhaps it is a good question for VS2017 team why is the ISO image published somewhere else on not on VS2017 webpage ...
Cheers,
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They're obviously not the International Organisation for Standardization in spelling.
International Organisation for Standardization = IOS!
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ISO Website wrote: Because 'International Organization for Standardization' would have different acronyms in different languages (IOS in English, OIN in French for Organisation internationale de normalisation), our founders decided to give it the short form ISO. ISO is derived from the Greek isos, meaning equal. Whatever the country, whatever the language, we are always ISO.
So it's not actually an acronym, it's a nickname!
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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If they're anything like their name implies, a more suitable nickname would begin with "n", end with "s", and have a "z" in the middle.
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New uSoft philosophy; If you can't dazzle them with brains baffle them with bullshit.
Someone's therapist knows all about you!
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I cannot leave this issue alone.
Check this out. While DiscoFiles (see Win10 : Examination of Disk Utilization (Includes DiscoFiles utility)[^] ) was running the following file was created by the winstore??
Users\<username>\AppData\Local\Packages\winstore_cw5n1h2txyewy\LocalState\Cache\0\0-Namespace-https∺∯∯next-services.apps.microsoft.com∯browse∯6.3.9600-0∯788∯en-us∯c∯US∯Namespace∯pc∯00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000∯00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000-.dat
What is microsoft & win10 doing to us? 
Anything they want, apparently. 
This is a continuation of : The Lounge - Win10 File System & long names[^]
modified 7-Mar-17 14:45pm.
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Looks perfectly acceptable to me; apart from the small spelling mistake. 
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Me, I'm on the edge of my seat, wondering what kind of wondrous glories a file named 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000-.dat might contain!
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000000000!
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Are those... Elvish characters...?
I think that filename literally translates to:
One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them,<br />
One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
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So I am in my mid thirties and a COO of a small business. Way back when in High School I took some programming classes and loved it. VB6. Fast forward to college and started in computer science before I hated a few professors in a row and switched to business school.
So In ever followed through on what was my intent at that point of being a programmer / developer.
Now, I see a real need for my business for a centralized application that can handle a multitude of things. Basically, we are a very unique company and not out of the box software fits all of our needs.
I am realistic and I know I am not going to create an end all software application for my company. I totally get that. This is a side hobby for me (and I have kids too so we'll see how much time I have). BUt I have always loved problem solving, computers, and the thought of programming really intrigues me.
Since I knew VB6 (based on high school classes, far from an expert) I am inclined to think VB.net is the best place to start and learn. But for me to learn through a project, if you are recommending to a newbie who wants to dabble with one application and never do this for a living... What would you recommend to them studying, learning, and playing with? It would need to be a database application too so that factors in.
Web or desktop I dont know. I am inclined to think web takes so much of the complication out of connectivity and end user experience. But is it powerful enough to really do thinks.
Here would be my start:
Right now we take meeting minutes manually in a word based template. This software would have data entry for the minutes, keep it organized, and automatically distribute to all participants after the meeting. First feature.
Second feature is a shop drawing log and submittal tracker. So when we make something custom, we prepare a detail drawing. Send it to an architect for approval. When it is approved sned to the manufacturer to release into production. Track all of these submissions etc.
That would be number two.
I would start with those two small features and continue slowly to add one at a time. Just a slow release of new functionality as our team realizes they need something.
Recommendations?
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If you have learned VB6, then I'd suggest that you learn C# rather than VB.NET.
VB6 and VB.NET are too similar, and it's easy to get into old habits and use things you know instead of the newer, more flexible versions.
C# avoids that by having a pretty different syntax.
Get a book - or better a course - and give it a go! The tools are all free, just google "Visual Studio Community Edition" and download direct from Microsoft.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
modified 7-Mar-17 14:18pm.
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Not only that: VB.NET has come capabilities less than C#, which means that when he will progress enough he will still have to learn another language, with an entire different syntax from VB. C# is the .NET language, and its C-like syntax eases the passage to most languages. And there are way more examples/guides/tutorials/whatsoever.
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I concur. The jump from VB to C# is not only a fairly simple transition in the grand scheme of things, you will find that as coding has evolved the days are gone where you have a small stack of reference books and therein you have all your tools.
Your greatest asset are the references that you'll gather from online resources (vast majority without fee) and others who wrestle with code segments. While your business may be unique, your code requirements almost without fail will have been accomplished and documented by someone and published on the net.
When the exception to this become evident, the knowledge and experience you gained from these references will generally show the path for your to accomplish the objective you seek.
There are some exciting language options out there and many might prove to be helpful to you as you go along, but the transition between VB to C# will be not only liberating, but provide a good basis on which to potentially explore other options later as well.
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Member 13044355 wrote: Right now we take meeting minutes manually in a word based template. This software would have data entry for the minutes, keep it organized, and automatically distribute to all participants after the meeting. First feature.
Use Slack. Set up a channel for the meeting, people who need to know about the meeting subscribe to the channel, distribution isn't an issue, as that's what Slack is all about.
Member 13044355 wrote: Second feature is a shop drawing log and submittal tracker. So when we make something custom, we prepare a detail drawing. Send it to an architect for approval. When it is approved sned to the manufacturer to release into production. Track all of these submissions etc.
Use Git. You get version control, people can post issues, other people can submit changes that fix the issues. A particular drawing can be tagged with custom tags for where it is in the workflow, and I think Git even has some sort of workflow "thing", if not them, someone surely does.
Member 13044355 wrote: Recommendations?
Basically, before writing a line of code, look at what amazing tools are out there already that you can use. Maybe they don't meet your needs 100%, but you can certainly start with them and leverage their API's for any custom functionality you might need.
Marc
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I appreciate the quick response but unfortunately that is a major part of our issue now as a company. We have so many different tools and technologies (some of which we need external users to be part of, not just internal) the common response from our team is there is just too much to keep track of. We cant update our CRM, our PM tool, our accounting tool, our chat, our email, our file subscriptions, etc.
So I am trying to find a platform that can bring all of this under one roof. I looked at tons of PSA software, but they are soooooo complicated and many out of the box have so many features we would never use.
Just looking to slowly integrate our tools into one platform so people one day could have one place to go for things.
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I don't understand your logic. I use Chrome for web browsing, Outlook for emails, Lync for calls and screen sharing, Visual Studio for writing code, Teams for team chat (used to use Slack), Word for writing documents, Excel for spreadsheets and so on - there's no need to combine it all in one app. There's no need to combine even some of it in one app.
Where tool proliferation can cause a problem is if you have multiple tools that do the same job. For instance, for communication we have email, Lync, Teams and Yammer, which is too much. The solution is to agree on just one of them for the main method of communication. We have settled on Teams for most stuff, with Lync for calls and email for stuff that doesn't really fit within Teams. We mostly ignore Yammer.
Regards
Nelviticus
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If they were clear and unconnected services I would agree.
Today we have several major platforms. We use a CRM, a task/project management software suite, a file sharing application, a chat program, and email etc.
For right now the file sharing, chat, and email are individual needs I have no intentions of trying to change over from.
However, the challenge is we are a project based company. So our business development team has to log all types of information about the CRM. And our opportunities have several different phases all of which have different revenue opportunities attached to them. I have yet to find any CRM that can handle this so we have to duplicate tons of information.
When the deal is signed it flips over to our project management / task management platform. All of that history, all of that data, all of that information is essentially lost or has to be recreated. The systems dont talk to each other. It is like trying to learn the project all over again.
Our bus development team has to CONSTANTLY be updating and uploading and modifying and tweaking in both. On top of all of their other activities. It is a bear for responsibility. Nothing out of the box starts to merge those two pieces.
Seperately, we are not an architect or engineer so software geared for those individuals does not work out of the box for us. But much of our process is replicated from them so we need the functionality of certain tracking elements. but again nothing out of the box has this since we do not fit into a typical industry platform.
It yields a lot of inefficiencies and duplication of data and information.
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Solve the problems, don't write code.
Based on this post, you might investigate SalesForce.com. I am not sure which CRM you are using. I have not used SF. You could probably contract someone to help you implement what you do need on SF if it does not have it. Having business development and business execution on two different platforms sounds like a WTF.
As a COO, hire someone to help you figure it out and design a solution for your company. If there is sure ROI, then execute it.
If you do want to learn to program, write a few projects for a hobby or something. I would not experiment on your company. Check out MIT App Inventor for a way to get something up and running quickly on Android platform. My kid implemented a sports statistic tracking program with uploads to Google Fusion Tables (combined stats with queries) in 30 hours. They also implemented a 100% non-code solution for a medium complexity problem given as a homework assignment. The school rolled out the solution for teachers to use.
As a side note, someone mentioned using GIT for versioning documents. If your file sharing service does NOT support versioning and history, then ditch it for a service that does.
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