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I can do most of (1). More likely than not, they'll discover the extent of the infrastructure I built, and commented though it is, if anything breaks their up to their ankles in sh*t: standing on their heads.
However, they gave me a position to begin with, so I have this caveat to your solution: they put food on my table for years.
I'm many things (check the soapbox) - but an ingrate is not one of them. The thought of . . . well it crossed my mind but I'll just pack my things and go.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: However, they gave me a position to begin with
They really didn't. They weren't operating as a charity; they saw something in you where you could provide the services they needed at a rate that was attractive to them.W∴ Balboos wrote: have this caveat to your solution: they put food on my table for years.
Again, they didn't. They paid you a rate that you both deemed in a fair range for you to provide them a service that they needed to make a profit.
Bottom line. Don't sell yourself short.
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What Pete and John said. Just as you are disposable to this company, so should they be to you. There's plenty of other jobs out there.
If it's no longer a good place for you to work, leave. Life's too short to have a job where you hate getting out of bed in the morning and dread going in.
You can make your reasons for leaving clear in an exit interview without being antagonistic. (I must admit I like John's advice though). If your description of these people is accurate, I doubt you'd get the chance, or they would ignore it.
It sounds as if it's you and one other developer, who you like. It might be worthwhile to feel that person out. Not so you both could leave in a blaze of glory, flipping off the new management as you go out the door (but that might be nice), but because you don't want to leave your friend in a bad place. Just let him/her know you're looking around, (s)he can react to that news however they see fit.
The point is, you don't owe them anything.
Best of luck.
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From the sounds of things, the ones making the unreasonable demands are not at all the people that you worked for over the years. You own them nothing.
If they're a proxy for an ownership/management that you're fond of, maybe their demands need to be mentioned upstream a bit.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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Nathan Minier wrote: From the sounds of things, the ones making the unreasonable demands are not at all the people that you worked for over the years. You own them nothing.
I think you mentioned aloud what I've kept in my mind's background processes. Perhaps they'll grow out of this phase before it's too late, but you're right: those who I feel indebted to are no longer part of the analysis.
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I've burnt some bridges; you just chose which ones to burn.
More than once, someone who I had not thought of in that capacity, will call you up because thye are now at so-and-so and ask you if you would like to do a project for them...
My biggest project yet may be starting in just this way; and it was all done "remotely".
Tip: "desktop development" (SCADA; POS) is becoming a rare skill; all everyone else knows is POST and GET.
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then".
― Blaise Pascal
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Both. Kindof 'work', secretly find your ticket out of there and then give them a hard deadline.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: we do make this deadline. Now we've set a precdedent that the seriously understaffed development group can be intimidated into results
If you can do that you deserve to be sacked.
Sorry, it is your DUTY to the company to produce a quality product as fast as possible.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: it is your DUTY to the company to produce a quality product as fast as possible.
Yes, but within reason.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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He is paid to do a job, do it.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: He is paid to do a job, do it.
I agree. But if that job turns into "you must work 80 hour weeks" then I have no problem finding a more reasonable job. No good developer, at least in the US, should ever feel like they can't get another job.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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'If'
The fact is a lot of software can be produced faster, I have seen gross inefficiences in my career.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: I have seen gross inefficiences in my career.
True in any industry and very true in government.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Another post of yours that deserves a rude comment.
Munchies_Matt wrote: If you can do that you deserve to be sacked.
Me and this other developer operate as a gestalt - we rebuilt half the companies software infrastructure in just a few years - almost every item extensible without limitations and fiercely reliable.
But - we can only hope you find yourself in a position where you're asked to do a job that requires half a dozen developers and you do it with one colleague (or in your case, you'd like work alone as who'd want to be stuck there).
A quality product - as fast as possible - WELL - which one is it to be?
If you want speed, hire an adequate headcount of qualified staff.
Your comment so much reminds me of Marie Antoinette's solution of what the poor should eat if they have no bread. I understand the people's response.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: Another post of yours that deserves a rude comment.
Why? I think you may be taking it too personal. His point is, if I may, that if you don't do your best work you should be fired. That's it. Wouldn't you agree that if you don't do your best work you could/should be fired?
W∴ Balboos wrote: A quality product - as fast as possible - WELL - which one is it to be?
They are not mutually exclusive. As fast as possible could mean 2 weeks or could mean 6 years. Again, all's he's saying, I believe, is to do a good job everyday. Period.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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In a nutshell, we're very understaffed in terms of developers. Of those here, several have a fixed project which they develop/maintain 100% of their time.
It really leaves two of us to rebuild - which requires very major integration with, and finally replacement of, legacy applications. Many very old. The amount of work produced in the last few years is several time that produced in the previous ten (as far back as my history goes).
The 'new kids' have not only no technical background, but not even rally a good business background. Sometime (like this time), someone gets rapidly put into high management due to - let us just say - connections. Qualifications? Not so much.
So - we do make very robust application - in massive amounts - but we're only partially superhuman.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: but we're only partially superhuman.
Exactly.
At my last job we had a Project Manager who only knew how to say "It must be done by this date." I would tell her there was no way that was happening. She would repeat, "It has to." I would say it won't. She didn't seem to understand that resources have limits. If you want it done sooner, increase resources and that might do it.
The challenge is getting others to understand what an appropriate time frame is. But don't quit over just this, many places will have the same problem.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Hey, you are the one who said you could meet a shortened deadline, not me.
I have worked with many inefficient software teams, and its quite staggering how much time they waste instead of just getting the product out.
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And its not rude, its a fact of life. Compete or die. Yes, its tough, but thats the way the world works.
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You appear to prefer the route of an evolutionary cul-de-sac.
Humans, individually, compete very poorly - meal for a lion without getting hair stuck in his teeth.
When we stop competing and work cooperatively, then we're a rather formidable species. Snuggling up on a lion-skin rug.
So - you hole up in your cul-de-sac. The rest of us will continue to evolve.
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You arent French are you?
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You're getting paid to work for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week (assuming a 40 hour contract), in reasonable circumstances.
Just because you're getting money doesn't mean you should take everything they throw at you.
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Any chance of quitting before the deadline? I did something similar last year to get out of a place where staying was not a good idea anymore. We secretly all looked for new jobs, helped each other as good as possible and all got out, except one.
Alone the faces of the bosses you get to see when most of the team quit within a few days are definitely priceless. If it's so easy, then do it yourself, d*ckheads.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Resignation would mean I don't get to collect unemployment compensation - not a fortune - something over $400/wk. Buys a lot of pizza and single-malt.
If either of us two multi-project developer's is gone, the others' work would be impacted. His leaving would overload me with work; my leaving would end development of the infrastructure. If things do collapse and they need us back . . . it will be costly.
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It's never easy. When someone comes with 'or else', this may be your only option in the long run. Otherwise it will be 'or else' every day from then on, just as you wrote. For similar reasons they can't take back their 'or else' anymore.
Try to find the best way out for you, but don't wait too long. If they must do their 'or else' or if too many leave before that, things will get nasty for those that remain. That can quickly turn into a self fulfilling prophecy.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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