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I have to just add here that there are few things I enjoy more than watching win server 2012 R2 installation desperately trying to automatically update an air-gapped server.
Yes, you can turn off automatic updates, but it still begs -- and whenever you update from a Pope-blessed, Hellfire-purified memory stick, it begs and pleads to be switched back on again.
I never knew I had any sadism in me, until windows turned to cr@p.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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It's 6 years I'm away from any Linux distro, first by necessity (I was in a place with no Internet and a brand new laptop nor the installation discs) then because with win7 I haven't felt the need of Linux. My experience with linux comprise Mandrake 8.1 and 9, Debian 4, 5 and 6, Slackware 10 and 11, Suse notSureWhich it hink 9, Red Hat 8, a bunch of Ubuntu and several others I forgot.
In each and every of these versions, with three different computers I had something refusing to work - and I'm perfectly capable of recompiling a kernel and hacking my way through the configuration files. At first it was X11 which refused to start, then I couldn't activate the HyperThreading and insert a CD-ROM - it kernel panicked, then other problems I forgot, Ubuntu supported a lot more drivers than Debian but a lot less developing tools and merging package repository ended up with an unusable unstable system.
Even with a lot of practice and knowledge there wasn't anything more than the bare minimum, held together by terrible GUI apparently developed by schizophrenics sociopaths. Hardware is barely supported, printing is hellish, 3D acceleration worked 1 time out of 10 (meaning no support for old games on VMWare). Every FLOSS software is incomplete and incompatible with each other, requiring chains of dozens of softwares to have something done.
I enjoyed my time with Linux, but it is really way too much trouble. Would I host a server on Linux? probably yes, once set it's as stable as stable can be. Would I use it on my workstation? As of now, not. Until MS will mangle Windows enough that it will become more costly and tiring than Linux (and it's going very fast in that direction) I won't.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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den2k88 wrote: but it is really way too much trouble.
Agreed.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Yesterday I bought a dirt cheap laptop for 180 EUR. (Acer cloudbook 11) It comes with Windoze10 preinstalled. I have not opened the box yet.
Here is the plan:
I will never boot the thing with that so-called operating system. I will boot from a bootable Ubuntu USB schtick, and install that. Blowing that other barely mentionable thing into oblivion.
To be continued...
... such stuff as dreams are made on
modified 6-Mar-17 6:13am.
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I'm actually surprised, but Win10 on the WookieTab works well. (Shock! Horror! Heresy!)
Probably, it's having touch as well as mouse that does it (and avoiding Metro apps).
Mind you, It's quite possible that Win7 would work even better ... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Trying to help a cow-orker with a win10 laptop, I didn't find the old "Find..." tool. Of course the interface is all mangled, then I did the smart thing: keyboard shortcuts are fundamentally unchanged since Win95, so I press Win + F... only to find that now it opens a useless "Facebook Hub". Is that a Pc or is that an elephnating toy?!? No, don't answer...
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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"Feedback hub", not "FarceBook hub", but no doubt that's coming.
Cartina has taken over all searching, but she's not that good at it ... powered by Bong, you know.
If you are looking for a file then WIN+E and File Explorer will give you a search box on the right hand side.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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OriginalGriff wrote: Cartina has taken over all searching, but she's not that good at it ... powered by Bong, you know.
I'm forced to use Bong since google is not within the accessible site. I know.
OriginalGriff wrote: If you are looking for a file then WIN+E and File Explorer will give you a search box on the right hand side.
It wasn't working: searching for a piece of filename in a file I had right in front of my eyes didn't yield any result. I wished to try the old search interface which is a bit more reliable, but apparently it worked so it had to be taken away in order to have a uniform system.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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The first thing I do when I install 10, is to disable Cortana and pop-up ads. 10 has been humming along very nicely for me for over a year now. 
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Be fair.
At least if you have to write a business e-mail, the OSK gives you a couple of hundred emojis, so you can keep up a professional image.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I'd like an OSK with a couple of hundred tortures / punishments / deaths for my customer and a part of cow-orkers. That would be an incentive for me to buy win10 - and for the aforementioned to tread carefully.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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You can reconfigure the OSK to give you a full "normal" keyboard with no emojiis:
Settings...devices...Typing
Set "Add the standard keyboard layout" to "On"
Open the OSK, and hit the "keyboard button" in the bottom right.
In the popup, select the far right option button.
Now you have ALT, TAB, and a Fn button for function keys.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Yup.
Funny how that option turned up shortly after I first bitched on CP about how useless the OSK was.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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My complaint about it is amount of screen is consumes!
Half the space (and no swipe typing) is just silly.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Yes, the biggest thing that ms seems not to have recognised is that people don't need half an acre of space to accurately touch-click a button or key.
I blame the abject failure of windows mobile for this -- the poor chaps probably aren't allowed to use apple or android phones, and even they don't want to use winphones, so they've never had the opportunity to see how easy it is to type a text message using a near-microscopic smartphone OSK.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: people don't need half an acre of space to accurately touch-click a button or key.
I do  with the mouse also, that's why I mostly rely on keyboard and shortcuts.
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF
* GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
* Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game.
* I'm a puny punmaker.
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Don't encourage them! 
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Yeah - the Google one (GBoard) is really good - swipe instead of tap, and the predictive text is pretty good. It still mixes up "Code" and "Coffee" but that's understandable, they are interrelated! 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I use the Hackers Keyboard[^], simply because it's got all the keys and they behave as expected.
It doesn't do slide typing, though -- but I miss that less than I'd miss arrow keys, Ctrl, F-keys, etc.
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Looks good - can you switch between it and GBoard for different apps?
I may well stick it on the WookieTab since a slide K/B is too slow due to the screen size.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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OriginalGriff wrote: can you switch between it and GBoard for different apps?
I've never tried -- but you've given me something to play with, this evening.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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OriginalGriff wrote: Win10 on the WookieTab works well
On mine, too.
... After I crippled claptina, shundrive, and automatic everything. And it helps that I don't use an ms account to log in.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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There should be some media to install Windows from and the very important certificate and license agreement, Make that junk unusable and send it back to Mickeysoft, along with a letter of appreciation.
If they get enough of these, they may perhaps realize why nobody wants their stuff, not even 'free'.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Complains about Win10, proceeds to install Ubuntu. 
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Well, he still needs something to complain about!
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