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Mark_Wallace wrote: It would help id the fruggin' buttons looked like buttons!
Nailed it!!
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It is not vey much different that many hardware calculators that have a SHIFT button...
Philippe Mori
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Yes, but they do that because of limited space. The damned OS calculator takes up half the screen before you extend it.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Except all those calculators that have a shift button also have the names of the shift-functions above the button to which they are assigned. That simple bit of design would have given all the context in the world to the up arrow, which, by itself, means nothing on a calculator.
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And here I was... trying to change the behavior of that button by actually clicking on the arrow key and the shift key on my keyboard and expecting them to actually have an effect. I didn't see that array tile on the UI until you specifically told me where it is... 
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Brilliant! An "up" arrow scrolls it UP or DOWN. Sure didn't see that one coming.
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It is called responsive design...A BS implementation of responsive design...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: A BS implementation of responsive design
I think you nailed it with this.
Some junior dev or intern who was like, "yeah, that's my responsive design...hiding stuff unless the stupid user moves unknown stuff around..."
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I shouldn't be at all surprised if that's really what they think responsive design means.
"Oh, it means that you see more if you make the window bigger!"
yup.
And the best part is that these **Great** **Upgrades** are forced on everyone.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Get the tee-shirt: "RESPOND TO THIS"
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Requisition Request:
Item: 4K resolution monitor (36 inch minimum)
Purpose: required to perform natural logarithmic synergy functions outside of Excel without standing up a web service for modeling of customer retention algorithms.
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englebart wrote: Item: 4K resolution monitor (36 inch minimum)
Seems reasonable. 
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I wonder what kind of genius designed this UI. I need to maximize to see all the buttons, otherwise asin, acos, atan are not visible too. This is baffling. Who would have known? Do we need to read documentation in order to use calculator now?
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raddevus wrote: I need to calculate a natural logarithm immediately if not sooner.
Try Google: ln(1) - Google Search[^]
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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That's very cool. I forgot about how helpful Google is in this case. Thx.
Out of curiosity, do you have the ln button in your win8 win10 calc?
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I'm no fan of google's, but that I like!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Click the Up-arrow just below the square root sign, to the left of CE.
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Someone else mentioned that too.
I never would've guessed that up arrow meant that.
I think Microsoft has instituted a new UI Design goal...Punish the user
It's actually punishment for using their app. Microsoft has begun to punish users for using their stuff. It makes sense now.
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IIRC there is a section (can't recall which) in Charles Petzold's book "Programming Windows", where he writes "No one said it would be easy".
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You had me at...
Richard MacCutchan wrote: Charles Petzold's book
Great writer.
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But Petzold was talking about programming! not using!
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Yes, but you don't know what Microsoft was talking about. 
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Click the UP arrow on the calculator display. It will change log10 to ln, 10^x to e^x, etc.
EDIT: Arggh! beaten by Richard!
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
--Winston Churchill
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Thanks very much. This is terrible UI design. Maybe some enjoy this type of thing. Ugh!
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Also, has anyone noticed that you CANNOT resize the calc window from the top?
That's a cool new behavior of the new Windows UI too, isn't it?
More user punishment.
Here's the insider view of the MS devs at work.
Dev 1: Can you imagine when the user (giggle, snort) attempts to resize from the top of the window and he cannot get a resize arrow (giggle, giggle)?
Dev 2: That is so funny. Hahaha, s/he'll be chasing the top edge around like a lunatic.
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