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Chicago has nice areas too which puts it one huge step on Detroit.
The best thing they could do to fix the latter would be line up 10,000 D9 dozers blade to blade about 30 miles to the west of the lake shore and just plow the entire wreck into the water.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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RyanDev wrote: Chicago is not much better, as I understand it.
The south/west neighborhoods of Chicago are frequently war zones. But the downtown, north side and lake front areas are gems.
RyanDev wrote: Lots of poverty and crime and rundown areas.
No more so than any other big US city. The crime on the south/west sides is decidedly more violent than most (despite the very restrictive Chicago guns laws  ) but the conditions are no different than the ghettos of most cities.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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I loved Chicago when I was in the US of A.
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US car companies and good food. That's about it.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote: US car companies
Now you know why I am here.
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Rage wrote: Now you know why I am here.
Don't be too disappointed in our cars. 
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My gf says Belle Isle Park (982-acre island featuring trails, an aquarium, museum, conservatory, golf course & playground.) is nice to visit.
Otherwise, maybe take a quick jaunt over to Canada, assuming the lines of mass exodus aren't too long. 
Marc
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The Art Institute is on Woodward Ave. Greenfield Village in Dearborn. Mexican town has 2 good restaurants (Xochimilco and El Zocalo) from my memory. Cruise Lake Shore Drive in the Grosse Pointes. The downtown is interesting. Cranbrook and some lovely homes in Bloomfield Hills. Birmingham and Royal Oak are fun towns.
I grew up in Detroit. I now live in Chicago.
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If you get to Chicago, you might want to see the Museum of Science and Industry[^], although one review sounds like it can get expensive. I'm not sure if that is the one I saw many years ago, but if so, my mind was blown.
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If you want a "history of America" experience, try the Henry Ford Museum and Greenfield Village in Detroit suburb of Dearborn. That will consume a good part of a day.
At the top of Michigan is Mackinac Island, a trip back in time: no automobiles allowed on the island. Horse carts, expensive hotels. An enjoyable day spent relaxing, but it will take a large portion of the day to drive there.
Chicago has a LOT going for it. I would concur that the Museum of Science and Industry is good. Shedd Aquarium is one of the better aquariums in U.S. Tour Wrigley Field to see a proper baseball environment. The soaring skyscrapers contrasting with flat Lake Michigan; the architecture is interesting. In fact, the Oak Park suburb has many homes designed by Frank Lloyd Wright. Pizza.
My personal recommendation for pizza is the "pot-pie" at 2121 N. Clark St.: Chicago Pizza and Oven Grinders. The restaurant is the basement of a building across the street from where the St. Valentine's Day Massacre occurred: nope, nothing left to see of the warehouse where that occurred. Don't skip the Mediterranean Bread!
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Lived in the Second City for five years. If you want to date it, I "marched in Skokie". Mrs. still has friends there
Points of interest:
- Two Nazi parties, hate each other as much as they hate everyone else.
- Many roads go north-south - but East West seems to be a challenge for them
- Winter: as devoid of thermal excitation as the dextro-mammary of a female necromancer.
- Cab drivers (were) polite drivers - made up for by the rest of the drivers.
- Chicago Pizza - it can be very good - but it's not pizza
I'd best stop before I get critical.
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You get the opposite effect when you go back. You're like everything seems so small.
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Find Eddie Murphy and make a movie out of it.
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Can't speak to Detroit since I've never been there, but Chicago is a different matter..
Sears Tower. Very cool. Even cooler in the evening when the sun sets and you can see the city lights stretch out before you.
Museum of Science and Industry. My all time favorite. The coal mine tour is not to be missed.. unless you're ever likely to make it to a real one 
O'Hare.. bah, it's nice enough, but it's just an airport. Just wait to see it when you have to change planes there someday. I'm not sure there's much to see until you're through security anyway.
There might be a ferry across Michigan. I know there's one to Milwaukee, so there's probably also one to Chicago. The one to/from Milwaukee is on my bucket list but I've yet to figure out why I'd want to go Michigan. On the other hand, Hell might be worth visiting, if only to pick up a T-shirt
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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To go from Detroit to Chicago, consider the train. Amtrak goes from just north of downtown Detroit right into Chicago's loop. Driving into Chicago is a real gamble on traffic.
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Rage wrote: "Wow, this is big"
Interesting, the US shares much in common with France in this respect, big shopping centers, big roads, etc. If you are in Chicago then a visit to an old style Blues Bar is recommended.
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I was watching the idiot box and saw adds for the new model cars go by, in a sort of half aware state, and a question popped up: Do we REALLY need tachometers in dashboards anymore? With 90% of new cars using automatic trannies, of what use is a tachometer? What could we put there instead?
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Pop up ad space
Sin tack ear lol
Pressing the "Any" key may be continuate
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Many of the cars that have automatics also have a feature for optionally manually shifting gears. Tachs are still needed. Besides, real men can still row the gears on a manual transmission, and don't need that euro-trash paddle crap to "get all racey".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Besides, real men can still row the gears on a manual transmission
Really real men actually prefer it that way.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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Precisely. 
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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(my car has a manual, which makes it almost theft proof.  )
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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That was an old car joke here in Italy, where almost everyone have manuals. "What's the best antitheft device in America?" "A manual gear"
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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You couldn't be more right.
Carjackers foiled by manual transmission.
And that's not the only one 
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Rly? And I thought it was the usual pot shot crack joke against the americans... 
DURA LEX, SED LEX
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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