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My question is what makes you think I know about every library of code that might fill a particular need? Or that it fills MY need? Or that I would rather deal with someone else's bug-ridden code rather than my OWN bug-ridden code?
People are really funny.
Of course, I could just be too old-school...
Maybe it's time to retire...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: People are really funny annoying.
FTFY! 
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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About 7 times out of 10 I crack while trying to play nice with a framework and end up writing my own solution. 
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
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My solution to that is, so far as is reasonable, not to use the frameworks.
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That's sort of where my heart is at as well. I still have hope when approaching frameworks, though Angular2 has almost killed that. I wanted to like it so much, but it smells like Dojo, so I react with horror.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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When .NET came out, at first I was annoyed as it killed my mental library of C++ functionality.
Shortly, however, when I realized that (in the MS realm) it was the "One Ring" to rule them all, I got used to it and even liked it - but not so much for what it supplied is that it allowed easy sharing of .dll's and stuff.
For now, I've moved into web dev, back-end, mainly, and functional interfaces. The javaScript and .php are pure. Transport anywhere. Won't go out of style too soon, either, at least compared to this quarter's favorite framework.
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My experience there was different, as I went from C++ to Java for a bit. C# was like a breath of fresh air, and LINQ sealed it for me. These things have spoiled me; going back and working in C++ for anything past low-level protocol work feels like a drag.
So...yeah. About 7 out of 10 (LINQ solidified that for me).
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
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I used to use C++ MFC for everything but when it became merged with .Net I moved on to C#. I still feel a little nostalgic but I seem to have forgotten almost everything I learned. Oh well...
We're philosophical about power outages here. A.C. come, A.C. go.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I would rather deal with someone else's bug-ridden code rather than my OWN bug-ridden code?
I guess one of the advantages of a good library is that by the time you get your sticky little fingers on it, thousands of other hopefuls have already suffered from the most obvious bugs and the worst of them have been sawn-off, sanded down, patched with filler, or occasionally even fixed!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I prefer the work-around, band-aid and bubblegum approach, it's what I'm used to. 
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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Hey lets not leave out spit & bailing wire! 
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glennPattonInThePUB wrote: spit & bailing wire
That's real old school.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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new is not always better, Win 8 for example...
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Vines and sticks is REAL old school.
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glennPattonInThePUB wrote: bailing wire
When I grew up, we only used bailing twine, not wire...
Then, working in a pulp and paper facility, the pulp bails were held together with wire, so I then understood how it was used.
Still prefer the twine, though. We'd gather it, tie them end-to-end, get three lengths and braid them to make rope.
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When I was growing up, it was No. 8 fencing wire. (NZ has a lot of wire fences)
It's just on the edge of being bendable by hand and then use a tool for final tightening.
Since it was always on hand, you'd use it to make makeshift repairs from saddles to tractors, as gate latches, snip and sharpen to use as nails, large loop as a tow rope, loop and hang slaughtered sheep on a tree, staple a snapped fanbelt back together...and that's just the things off the top of my head.
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And it's permanent-repair companion: duct tape.
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:shakeshead: Duct Tape, I tend to use the term Gaffer Tape...
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Nah. No way would the films have been watchable if Bruce Willis was crawling round in a Gaffer for most of the movie ...
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Too bad this does not apply for languages, javascript would have profited from it.
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Isn't that the theory also behind open source?
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Yes - but open source software tends to get hacked about to get a specific feature added, with no overall "target" in mind. Libraries tend to be a bit more focussed and intended to "do X" rather than "do most of X and some of Y because I could use that".
Having said that, I do use OS apps: Freemake Video Converter, Handbrake, and Libre Office for example.
But Gimp I don't like - I pay money to Corel instead ( :sob: ).
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Or that I would rather deal with someone else's bug-ridden code rather than my OWN bug-ridden code?
Exactly my sentiment. 
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Maybe it's time to retire...
That too. 
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: People are really funny.
If by "funny" you mean, for example, some newbie waltzing in and replacing 10 lines of working code that took 10 minutes to write with a huge general parser library that he can't get working after five days, and because he has some Haskell experience he convinces the CTO that everything should now be written in F#, then yeah, but somehow I fail to be amused. 
Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote: If by "funny" you mean, for example, some newbie waltzing in and replacing 10 lines of working code that took 10 minutes to write with a huge general parser library that he can't get working after five days, and because he has some Haskell experience he convinces the CTO that everything should now be written in F#, then yeah, but somehow I fail to be amused.
In that case, the person isn't funny as much as he is a target of opportunity.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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