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It's not unknown for me to get rather intense in my postings, whether Lounge or Soapbox. It's also rare for people, most of the time, and certainly while arguing, to turn around and say "wait - I see that you're right". But the debates, whether fierce or friendly, are the start of transmitting information. Some logical, some emotional, and in the analysis, all relevant in understanding (if not agreeing) with the opposition.
Following the debates, keyboards sweaty with exertion, I'd find it well to to go off with the opposition for some beers - and say "good game", but better beer.
It's a philosophy - no doubt embraced by many at CP.
Just venting, sort of, as the political season both at home and abroad gets unusually oppositional, that if we survive this round, we're here for the long haul.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: It's also rare for people, most of the time, and certainly while arguing, to turn around and say "wait - I see that you're right".
I've found that people don't go there because they themselves need acknowledgement first. I've found that saying "I think you have a point, tell me more about how you came to that conclusion" opens them to be receptive to a more productive discussion of the pros and cons, and even formalizing the guidance for when to do something one way, and when to do something another way. If you can move the conversation so that the person no longer feels defensive, a lot of cool things can happen.
Advice I need to remember myself time and time again!
Marc
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When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others.
Same thing when you are stupid.
modified 19-Nov-21 21:01pm.
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As the political arena in the United States starts to ramp up, I have made a conscious effort to ramp down the "debating" - which really is wasted time and effort in almost all scenarios. I'm not going to make you see life the way I do, and visa versa, so what is the point really.
I originally joined this site for the tech support, not the soapbox or lounge support, and I need to just get back to that mentality, for myself.
-- Cheers.
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Obligatory XKCD[^] (Todays, by coincidence)
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I wish I had said that!
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If you're going to link to an XKCD comic, you should either link to the comic[^], or use the hotlink[^] from the comic.
Whoever owns the blog you've just linked to seems to be violating the XKCD image license[^].
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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His image came up first in google image search so I used it; who am I to question google? 
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Wait - I see that you're wrong!
... such stuff as dreams are made on
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megaadam wrote:
... such stuff as dreams are made on
I have a quote for that (to update your current to represent reality?):
"Smut - the stuff that dreams are made of !"
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W∴ Balboos wrote: "Smut - the stuff that the best dreams are made of !"
It's the editor in me; I can't stop until the text is perfect.
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There's nowt wrong with having the occasional barney; it's a good way of de-stressing, if you're having a sh1tty day at work.
Taking what you say in a message board seriously, though, that's just daft -- although I do know people who used to save all their postings to newsgroups, for...
... Erm, I have no idea for what, actually. I'm willing to bet that even they never read them again -- being that egocentric would take a lot more training than I'd be willing to go through.
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I've read many of your posts and found a familiar tone to them. I couldn't place it until now, but I know who you are. Your Data from Star Trek TNG with your emotion chip turned on aren't you. 
When you are dead, you won't even know that you are dead. It's a pain only felt by others.
Same thing when you are stupid.
modified 19-Nov-21 21:01pm.
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Close - but not close enough -
You will be assimilated.
You will be assimilated.
You will be assimilated.
You will be assimilated.
You will be assimilated.
You will be assimilated.
You will be assimilated.
You will be exterminated.
(oops! wrong colleagues)
You will be assimilated.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: I'd find it well to to go off with the opposition for some beers - and say "good game", but better beer.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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So I've gotten rather good at sprouting seeds and growing them into plants. In particular, I've taken a fantasy toward cacti and succulents. I've even bought a Sabra (prickly pear) and Pitaya (Dragon Fruit), processed the seeds and watched them grow (much faster than regular cacti).
So, then I moved on - with rug-rats coming and going I keep my spiny (horny?) friends at work so no one makes a fist around them: succulents. Harder to get the seeds. In all cases, being eminently childlike, I get 'mixed' seeds because I like the surprise as they grow and differentiate.
But, of course, there's always Amazon - or more correctly, the scillion vendors in their marketplace. I ordered succulent seeds from two sources, both in China. Several weeks later little envelopes arrive. So far, so good.
Eagerly, I plant the seeds from the two sources (separately). One, consisting of many seeds much smaller than poppy seeds, send up an army of thing plants whose progress has halted. The jury's still out on these.
The others, from a company called Sinark, looked like the topping for an "everything bagel", although a tad smaller. These sprouted. After the first two sets of real leaves appeared, they were remarkably distinct and anything but 'succulents' in progress. A little online search (due to the distinct third leaf set) and I found out that the seeds they sent (that grew) were unambiguously Red Clover.
Amazon's returning my money - no one's paying for the lost time.
Lesson to be learned: There are hoards of these seed sources in China, with names like YAYXXA and others made-up-for-the-moment. Until they settle down and have some real business standards - totally avoid them as a direct source. Have a local intermediate who, in order to avoid the expense of refunds, will cull the herd for you. Seeds are commonly imported from throughout the world - but being the test field for QC is an expensive mistake.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: I've taken a fantasy
Maybe we all have fantasies about succulents, and maybe some of us even cacti, but in your case, I think the phrase is "I've taken a fancy..." 
W∴ Balboos wrote: sources in China
Not just seeds.
Marc
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You can find local seed exchanges if you look around. I know MotherEarthNews.com[^] will often have links for seed exchanges, at least for the US.
I do enjoy gardening but it can be a lot of work so I typically only plant things that I can eat. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: I typically only plant things that I can eat.
Outdoors, you and I agree totally on something! Basically, in my garden, I'm growing eggplant parmigiana (cheese takes too long to sprout). The cacti make particularly good house plants in that they'll be happy in a two ounce paper cup for years.
As for lawns? I won't fertilize or water the thing. All I'd get back is faster growth and the need to mow it more often. Who needs that? Survival of the fittest.
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I have eaten cactus many times before, but do not care for it. It has a very strange taste.
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RyanDev wrote: It has a very strange taste
So does McDonalds but that doesn't seem to stop people.
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I've never noticed macdonalds' food products having a strange any taste.
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