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Tip ColinDavies20-Jun-03 20:20 ColinDavies 20-Jun-03 20:20  If HD's go bad, place them in a freezer, then plug em back in. And grab your MP3n and pr0n collection quickly. Regardz Colin J Davies * WARNING * This could be addictive The minion's version of "Catch " It's a real shame that people as stupid as you can work out how to use a computer. said by Christian Graus in the Soapbox Re: Tip Michael Dunn21-Jun-03 19:55 Michael Dunn 21-Jun-03 19:55  I've always read to put the drive in the oven to heat it up. Not to cook it, but to reduce viscosity in the motor librication so that when you power the drive up, the platters are more likely to start spinning. If that doesn't work, give the drive a quick flick of the wrist (rotating it around the axis of the spindles) to try and get the parts moving. --Mike-- "So where does that leave us? Well, it leaves us right back where we started, only more confused than before." -- Matt Gullett Ericahist | Homepage | RightClick-Encrypt | 1ClickPicGrabber Re: Tip J. Dunlap21-Jun-03 20:41 J. Dunlap 21-Jun-03 20:41  Cooling works for bad electronics, and heating for bad mechanical parts. I once used cooling successfully on a drive with bad electronics. "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi Re: Tip Michael Dunn22-Jun-03 7:31 Michael Dunn 22-Jun-03 7:31  jdunlap wrote: heating for bad mechanical parts So I was right I was talking about a drive that wouldn't spin up, but the electronics were fine. --Mike-- "So where does that leave us? Well, it leaves us right back where we started, only more confused than before." -- Matt Gullett Ericahist | Homepage | RightClick-Encrypt | 1ClickPicGrabber Major Crash John R. Shaw18-Jun-03 13:19 John R. Shaw 18-Jun-03 13:19  A while back I spent a year [or my own time, at home (Win95)] writing a special library which I planned to sell. Then one night my CPU fan died while I was away from my desk: It took out both of my hard drives during its' death throws and there was no way to recover the project or any thing else. (!!! ONE YEAR UP IN SMOKE !!!) Moral: Backup Backup Backup. FYI: When the fan starts to die on XP it starts crashing to the blue screen and give every indication that you have a bad driver. It also starts telling you that the registry is invalid (even though it is not). So if your XP machine starts going to blue screen; remember to check the fan and to thank Microsoft for saving your system (and your data). Trust in the code Luke. Yea right! Re: Major Crash billhao18-Jun-03 16:24 billhao 18-Jun-03 16:24  What CPU do u use, Intel or AMD? -------------------------------------- e-mail: billhao@hotmail.com MSN Messenger: billhao@hotmail.com http://www.minivoice.com Re: Major Crash John R. Shaw19-Jun-03 6:45 John R. Shaw 19-Jun-03 6:45  The machine that crashed had an intel CPU. My current machine has an AMD 1Ghz on an AZUS mother board with "PC Probe" to monitor its state. Trust in the code Luke. Yea right! Re: Major Crash Snakebyte19-Jun-03 1:46 Snakebyte 19-Jun-03 1:46  How can a cpu problem can create problem in your Hdd ? I can understand that it may corrupt your OS, but how can it causing a HDD failure ??? Was there any problem with HDD detection after the CPU Fan failed? If not, then most probably your data could have been recovered. PS: If you use Kazaa try to search for a document named "200 Ways to revive a Hdd.rtf" I'm too geeky for this shirt, too geeky for this shirt, so geeky it Hertz! Re: Major Crash John R. Shaw19-Jun-03 6:57 John R. Shaw 19-Jun-03 6:57  When I returned I heard thunk thunk thunk ... I already knew the main drive was gone at that time, but I did not know that it was the death of the CPU that caused it. When I had my new machine built: I had them look at my drive to see if ether one was in working order so that it could be installed. They even sent away for some special software to determine why neither one would install: The conclusion was that they where both trashed. If the CPU dies slowly it could send out any number of bad instructions which could theoreticaly do a great deal of damage. If you have full access to the hardware on your machine you can write a program that would blow your monitor (A friend of may did that once), or change the way in which your drive formats its' disks (I did this once: Call it a poor mans encryption). Trust in the code Luke. Yea right! Re: Major Crash Anonymous20-Jun-03 7:47 Anonymous 20-Jun-03 7:47  In the linux world you have access to that kind of stuff and could easily blow a monitor, etc. I've never done it, but all of the documentation readme's warn against messing with your monitor settings. But it's neat to play with if you are that nerdy like I am. ) Re: Major Crash -- NA --22-Jun-03 4:56 -- NA -- 22-Jun-03 4:56  John R. Shaw wrote: blow your monitor How would you accomplish that? All I can come up with is give it an out-of-range refresh rate, but modern screens protect against that Maybe a short on the signal cable, but how would the video card do that?? Paul I have been afraid always. When you see something insurmountable ahead of you, say to yourself: "All right! I am afraid. Now that I've been properly afraid, let's go forward." That is the whole secret. - Jeanne d'Arc modified 18-Jul-18 11:59am. Re: Major Crash Anonymous24-Jun-03 4:52 Anonymous 24-Jun-03 4:52  I do not remember, since it has been years since I personaly messed with the hardware level programming. But some months back I ran dxdiag.exe on my sony trinatron monitor and it managed to blow out the high voltage power supply. There was a flash [I said some like @%$*^], some unhealthy looking special effects, and then it contenued to work fine for about a week before if died before finaly dieing. Re: Major Crash -- NA --24-Jun-03 4:57 -- NA -- 24-Jun-03 4:57  It's all very well messing up your monitor on purpose, but programs like that should warn about effects like that Paul I have been afraid always. When you see something insurmountable ahead of you, say to yourself: "All right! I am afraid. Now that I've been properly afraid, let's go forward." That is the whole secret. - Jeanne d'Arc modified 18-Jul-18 11:59am. 1GB Hd Swinefeaster18-Jun-03 12:47 Swinefeaster 18-Jun-03 12:47  Hehe back in the days of 1GB hard drives and expensive cd burners, I prepared all my important data (< 650 worth) onto my 1 gig hd, for backup onto cd-rom at a computer place. Then I took it out of the computer, and dropped it into a plastic anstistatic back. Unfortunately, the bag was open at both ends! Um, so SMACK! onto the table top, bye bye hard drive. I still have the hard drive. I remember trying to get it recovered way back then. They quoted my like 600 US$, or more. Can anyone recommend a good data recovery service? Would be a nice time capsule... Cheers, swine [b]yte your digital photos with [ae]phid [p]hotokeeper - www.aephid.com. Re: 1GB Hd Michael Dunn21-Jun-03 19:59 Michael Dunn 21-Jun-03 19:59  Heh, that reminds me of one time at a local computer shop. I was picking up a new hard drive. The store guy took the bare drive from the display case, slipped it into an antistatic bag, then dropped it *WHAM* on the counter. It only fell maybe 3 inches but it was enough to kill the drive. Fortunately, I lost no data in this incident. --Mike-- "So where does that leave us? Well, it leaves us right back where we started, only more confused than before." -- Matt Gullett Ericahist | Homepage | RightClick-Encrypt | 1ClickPicGrabber Deleting backup... Matt Newman17-Jun-03 7:36 Matt Newman 17-Jun-03 7:36  Awhile back I needed to reinstall windows so I backed up my mp3s, recorded TV shows, and some other documents to my other computer. Before I restored all of my non essential files I crashed the OS (2003 Server expireware) and had to reinstall but I forgot to restore my backups first. At least I had backed up my important documents first though. Matt Newman Post best viewed with lynx At the mercy of IT UltraJoe17-Jun-03 1:37 UltraJoe 17-Jun-03 1:37  Our systems at work are at the mercy of IT (or whatever the acronym of the week is) for backups, software installs, ... we mere users aren't even allowed to CHKDSK! Re: At the mercy of IT Matt Newman17-Jun-03 7:29 Matt Newman 17-Jun-03 7:29  UltraJoe wrote: we mere users aren't even allowed to CHKDSK! Matt Newman Post best viewed with lynx Re: At the mercy of IT Trollslayer18-Jun-03 23:20 Trollslayer 18-Jun-03 23:20  Thats why I fought to get a seperate development netowrk isolated from Idiotic Twerps ! Elaine (defensive fluffy tigress) PS Got it ! The tigress is here ipaq data geo_m16-Jun-03 22:13 geo_m 16-Jun-03 22:13  I got received a second-hand iPaq for my testing purposes. It was completelly hard-reseted. After about a week I managed to make a situation, that the iPaq doesn't work anymore and only hard reset can help (said it was for testing). so I did, and amazingly all data stored in contacts by the previous user reappear again... Maybe Compaq have some miraculous backup utility running there? Re: ipaq data Matt Newman17-Jun-03 7:31 Matt Newman 17-Jun-03 7:31  geo_m wrote: Maybe Compaq have some miraculous backup utility running there? Its actually a part of Compaqs plan to take over the world. First they give the illusion of a "crash" and "lost data" then make it miraculously reappear. You've been infected report immediately to the death camp uhhh..., temporary internment camp for cleansing :P Matt Newman Post best viewed with lynx Home Machine Nick Seng16-Jun-03 15:33 Nick Seng 16-Jun-03 15:33  Just curious, how many of you back up your non-dev machine? I've always been to lazy to do so, and as a consequence have lost many valuable files( which include game saves and mp3s ) Which reminds me, I better backup my dev-box, which I haven't done in a while( 2 months ) Nick Seng (the programmer formerly known as Notorious SMC) God, I pity me! - Phoncible P. Bone Re: Home Machine J. Dunlap16-Jun-03 15:43 J. Dunlap 16-Jun-03 15:43  My dev machine is the same as my non-dev machine, but yes, I back up my non-dev data, too. "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God." - Jesus "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Mahatma Gandhi Re: Home Machine Megan Forbes16-Jun-03 23:33 Megan Forbes 16-Jun-03 23:33  Nick Seng wrote: Just curious, how many of you back up your non-dev machine? I back up my photo's onto (multiple) cd's Other than that, everything is either on my work server, or the server which hosts my (currently out of action) site. $500 for a penny people, cheap at the price, just 500 big ones for a penny! Don't shove, there's enough pennies for everyone! - Daffy Duck, manning a wishing well Tape... Anders Molin16-Jun-03 13:27 Anders Molin 16-Jun-03 13:27  All my source is in a VSS database which resides on my server. I have an HP DAT Streamer which makes almost daily backup of my VSS DB, my Exchange Server and all files I would not like to loose. Every now and then I burn all my work on a DVD, and places that DVD at my brothers house, just in case of theft or fire... I would not like to loose all my work, there are several years of source and other stuff. - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"

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