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I replied immediately after I read your message, troll.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Why doesn't your mommy love you? That has to be the only reason you chose to attack me every chance you get with insults that aren't even close to accurate or even related to the thread posting.
You are desperate. Grow up old man.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Attack you? I've never attacked you.
My replies to you are out of disdain, kiddo. You're a shining beacon of dimness in this place of higher intelligence -- and, as always, the thickest thinks he's the smartest.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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You make fun, but there's a grain of truth to that, especially if you combine COBOL with CICS. If you've ever worked with CICS, the web, in concept at least, ain't so strange.
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Weeell, yes, unless your company is gobbled up by another that's stuck with IMS/DC and kicks CICS out. Been there, done that and sold the T-Shirt 
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ICL's TPMS system was pretty much MVC back in the 80's
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heh.
It's really funny how we could make computers do anything we wanted with COBOL, Fortran, and all the other "old" languages, but now we seem to have trouble deciding how to make computers do what we want because we're spoiled for choice.
A change in language rarely means doing anything different; it normally means learning new ways to do the same thing.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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"A change in language rarely means doing anything different; it normally means learning new ways to do the same thing."
Well said!
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Southern California
Why does that matter?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Kevin Marois wrote: Why does that matter?
Why indeed it does. The beaches are full of fully developed stacks! 
Marc
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Kevin Marois wrote: Can you guys define the stack that I REALLY need to learn
The one that will get you the job.
The one that you want to use day in day out
The one you can learn quickest, because it'll be redundant before you can say ASP.NET Core 1.0 Release Candidate 3
Given you're a Windows guy I'd just stick to bread and butter and learn ASP.NET MVC with C#. That'll get you most of the way there. For the backend use Entity Framework 6 (leave EF7 / EF Core for now - it's not baked) and for the front end learn Bootstrap for styling and maybe Angular 2 and TypeScript for the web based front end.
This will give you enough buzzwords for your resume and enough experience to muddle your way through whatever stack they thrust upon you. It's more about learning how to deal with stateless programming and the difference between client side and server side programming. Work that one out and it's all just a variation of the same.
If you want to just ditch Windows then what about PHP or Node.js? Either one is in hot demand and simple to learn.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Thanks Chris
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Chris Maunder wrote: For the backend use Entity Framework 6
My two cents here. If the site is light weight, the Entity Framework is okay. However, if the site uses any kind database transaction processing, needs to perform lots complex of queries, or if you ever need to generate complex SQL reports, as a former DBA, I would recommend against using EF in favor of a tailored data access layer. Tuning EF generated SQL statements is painful and don't get me started on how it creates its tables.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); }
Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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So full disclaimer: I don't actually like EF either.
However: many shops do and it's worthwhile at least knowing it. If you're going to have to use it then you need to know how to make it behave.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Agreed, I wouldn't use EF for anything but CRUD.
But you can admittedly achieve a lot with just CRUD.
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I often think that with business apps, we are mainly pulling stuff out of a database & displaying it (screen or report) and frequently, that's it - occasionally we want to change/add some & put it back.
How does it get so complicated?
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Stewart Judson wrote: How does it get so complicated?
Developers that think they are smarter than everyone else make it complicated by trying to write code that says "look how damn smart I am".
No matter where you go, there you are...~?~
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Chris Maunder wrote: Given you're a Windows guy I'd just stick to bread and butter and learn ASP.NET MVC with C#. That'll get you most of the way there. For the backend use Entity Framework 6 (leave EF7 / EF Core for now - it's not baked) and for the front end learn Bootstrap for styling and maybe Angular 2 and TypeScript for the web based front end.
I concur. Learning MVC means learning a lot of the major web building blocks -- I know 'cuz I'm doing it now. I've been out of development for a few years and my web experience is more than a decade out of date. [Been doing C# desktop and have background in HTML/CSS/XML and pre .NET ASP, plus some PHP.]
At last count MVC includes:
C#
JavaScript
JQuery
Bootstrap
Razor
Entity Framework
HTML
CSS
This list is not exhaustive, I've probably missed something ...
Note: I have found that none of the above is difficult, but there's a lot of pieces that interact. However, it's an excellent starting point.
As Chris pointed out, everything changes, so what you learn today may not be directly useful next year. But the more we learn, the more we become capable of learning, so for a web developer career, it's all movement in a positive direction.
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Only #1 is relevant; unless this is a hobby.
If you want to work "now", its: Magento, Umbrago, Shopify, WordPress, etc.
So, study the platforms' architecture and peddle oneself accordingly. Just being able to configure, create plugins, debug these sites is worthwhile.
A good start to other (web) development opportunities, IMO.
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Sorry to be late but want to confirm all Chris said. I recently researched the same topic and spent a lot of time looking at Python/Django before realizing I was better off sticking with the Microsoft technologies I use every day.
Razor (part of the ASP.NET world) is a lot like PHP but uses C# syntax and is much nicer.
I'm also adding Umbraco on top of the stack Chris describes. It's a lovely content management package with a vibrant, helpful user community.
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I recommend learning Microsoft especially if you have been doing windows development. Assuming your windows development was in C# then you already know the language to use ASP.Net. Granted, there are a lot of concepts from windows development that do not exist in the web so you still have a bit to learn.
Look into ASP.Net and MVC and for client side scripting, jQuery and possibly Angular.js.
But yes, the web is full of possible ways to do things.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Kevin Marois wrote: It seem like there are WAY too many technologies to learn to truly be effective, yet if I want to stay employed it seems that I've got no real choice.
You're correct. Web development involves a lot of technologies. You would need to know the stateless nature of web and how the web works by understanding the request and response flow. You need to learn client-side technologies: CSS, JavaScripts, AJAX, HTML, etc.. and also learn server-side stuff: Database, Services, Web API, etc.
Kevin Marois wrote: Can you guys definethe stack that I REALLY need to learn, so I can focus in on what I need?
That really depends on your interest considering that there are bunch of web development platforms to choose from. But since you are coming from a Windows background, then I would recommend you to start looking into ASP.NET. ASP.NET provides a variety of platforms that you can use to get yourself into web development. ASP.NET offers three frameworks for creating web applications: Web Forms, ASP.NET MVC, and ASP.NET Web Pages. All three frameworks are stable and mature, and you can create great web applications with any of them. No matter what framework you choose, you will get all the benefits and features of ASP.NET everywhere.
Now which web development framework to choose?
Since you are coming from a Windows Forms development background, then you can start jumping into WebForms to take advantage of the design surface, powerful server controls and components. This is the easiest entry point to ASP.NET because you are already familiar with the drag-and-drop and event driven model from windows forms.
If you are willing to take the challenge, I would really recommend you to learn ASP.NET MVC over WebForms.
Why?
(1) Provides a clean separation of concerns (the Model, the View and the Controller)
(2) Gives you full control over your codes, HTTP, Request, Response, JavaScripts, CSS, HTML and so on
(3) Provide clean and friendly Urls through it's built-in routing capability
(4) You'll get the feel of real web development because there's no abstraction involved.
(5) It's easy for you to learn Web API as it follows/uses Controller based pattern like MVC
Alternatives: You could also try learning SPA technology like Angular or Knockout as front-end, but this would probably give you a big learning curves as you will mostly dealing with client-side scripting. But if you really want to be a real web developer, then you have no choice but learn these technologies. 
But, Where do I start?
You can pick a book that you are interested or refer to online tutorials and apply three things "READ, DO and LEARN. Learning something is a just matter of doing something.In my own experience, the easiest way to learn is to develop a sample application in your own by applying the things you've learned from the book or tutorials. I'm sure you will learn a lot as you go along implementing your own web application.
HTH.
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I'm probably not being too helpful here, but the reason I stay away from web client development is because I have an aversion to JS and CSS. I don't want to have to spend several days implementing a UI I can build with WinForms in a few hours. I still enjoy web server development (I use ASP .NET MVC, SQL server) and have recently moved to building Android clients.
/ravi
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