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phil.o wrote: we're not talking about an update, but a full upgrade.
potato potato.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Wow, I'm impressed. What an elephanting argument!
You always obtain more by being rather polite and armed than polite only.
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Sorry, I guess you confused me with someone else with whom you were arguing.
Perhaps you don't know what "potato potato" means. That is quite possible. It's really an audible thing. In American English there are 2 common ways of pronouncing potato. But either way, it's still a potato.
An update or an upgrade, who cares? It's still their software, not yours.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I bought the OS, as well as the computer to make it run. So in my point of view, they are fully mine.
I get your point, though; what a world it would be if marketing people were not allowed to treat their customers as cattle anymore.
And thanks for the linguistic information (no sarcasm here, really); I would hesitate to use it for my own argumentation, though.
You always obtain more by being rather polite and armed than polite only.
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phil.o wrote: So in my point of view, they are fully mine.
There is the problem. You don't own software, you essentially rent it.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: It's still their software, not yours.
It's still my PC, not theirs. They have no right to come into my world and force an update on me.
What is the author of your favorite book came into your house while you were gone and rewrote a bunch of chapters. It's their book, right?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is
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Kevin Marois wrote: It's still my PC
That is correct. So, don't install their software.
Kevin Marois wrote: It's their book, right?
No. They own the words but not the printed copy. You do.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Or, wait for a torrent with a cracked version and elephant them off. Pay 0, get all the updates when they get released cracked and the cracks themselves prevent MS crapware.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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I know several honest people who've gone down that path.
Criminal activity begets criminal activity.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Runs with criminals. No surprise there. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I run with scissors, as well, so you'd better get out of my way, if you see me coming.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Except I simply don't believe it's actually happening. I know plenty of people still with Windows 7, I have Windows 8.1, and NONE automatically upgraded. You had to click on something first to allow that upgrade.
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Kevin Marois wrote: IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL FOR MS TO DOWNLOAD AND INSTALL ANYTHING ONTO SOMEONE'S PC WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION
It is. It's called hacking. There are laws.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mark_Wallace wrote: There are laws.
You are 0 for 1 so far. Here's your second chance. Can you back this up? Where is it illegal for Microsoft to update their own software?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Just like with the bible, you appear to know it's there, but not know anything about it. I suggest you look into hacking laws before accepting any more wu mao payments from ms for promoting winio.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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0 for 2 and getting personal, proof you have nothing and are trolling.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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If you spoke like a fanboy, I could accept that -- tastes differ, and all that, and everyone strongly defends things that they like -- but you don't talk like a fanboy.
You talk like a wumao.
If it waddles like a duck, and it quacks like a duck...
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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If you allow automatic updates, you've given permission. If you don't want updates, turn them off.
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Huh?
Clicking the X in a control toolbox is not "allowing automatic updates", and being stuck with an operating system that is forced on you doesn't constitute "permission to do whatever the Hell you want with my property".
I had to take quite extensive steps to disable automatic updates on my winio tablet, and just as extensive steps on all my other machines to keep winio at bay.
Having to defend my property from attacks by foreign corporations is not how I like to spend my day.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Huh?
Disabling automatic updates is easy as hell.
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On weven, maybe, but the tools you can pick up on the Interwebs for disabling winio's auto-updates don't work nearly well enough (e.g. ms managed to get an unwanted "upgrade" of onedrive past them, on my winio machine), so you've got to get your hands dirty.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I've done the Windows 10 update and I don't recall it saying "Downloading updates for Windows 10".
Frankly, I find Windows 10 better than 7 anyway. There are a few PCs which are genuinely incompatible, but even then you can update to 10, get a license, rollback and then fix the compatibility issues.
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Except you clearly did give them permission by enabling automatic updates.
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