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It feels like teaching an elephant to dance a tango... It's feels heavy weight, immobile... no I really don't like it.
They missed the internet and they missed the mobile world as well. Now they're gonna lose the (home)desktop sector to vulcan and a desktop-ready android world.
In 2025, Microsoft (and very likely Apple, too, when you look at the market shares) will sit on the same couch in the same niche with Blackberry and maybe they will have a good chat over there...
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21% don't write code for mobile apps.
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So no, I won't ever be developing to this. Sorry.
BTW, they are stringing existing customers and developers along like good little mice, but the reality is they are bleeding out millions of dollars on this project trying to compete with Google and Apple.
modified 7-Jun-16 5:23am.
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They are also trying to Chase off windows desktop users too.
I think they want everyone to store everything in "Their" cloud.
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ledtech3 wrote: I think they want everyone to store everything in "Their" cloud.
Agreed.
They are adopting a more aggressive posture now, with their customers (they are desperate), which is a very dangerous gamble for Microsoft; a gamble I don't think Bill Gates would have taken directly, IMO.
Also, more customers are going to Google Docs, etc. instead of the flagship MS Office, so Microsoft has a lot to be worried about at this time.
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Yeah it is their own fault, trying to get everyone to run the software from the cloud platform.
What happens if your connection goes down, No one gets anything done, and no one gets access to the information.
I was part of the trial for the "Free" small buisness web site untill they made you rebuild your site on the new 365 platform or take a hike. I chose to take a hike.
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honestly, i'd take google docs and sheets 10 times over word/excel. they are too big and way less intuitive than they were.
gdoc is fine, just start typing and so is sheets. i dont have a single machine running anything (except windows itself) from microsoft. all documents (private and business) have been transferred to gdocs and I never thought a second about stepping back.
I wrote a book, now available at amazon, which is made 100% in gdoc.
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I hear you. Most of the schools in upstate New York, where I live, are going to gdocs.
Are you a developer? If so, don't you use MS products or are you a Java developer, etc?
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Yes, I am even certified architect, senior.
In my Job of course there is still Visual Studio running, we are doing server development in C#.
But that's the last remaining contact point with MS Development.
Frontends run mobile, which means "everywhere EXCEPT windows  " ... Objective-C for iOS and Java for Android. I don't do iOS, there is "thrift" or so as the "new" language - don't know too many details about it - I have not so intensive contact to the iOS world. I am in the Java corner, but I did C# since it existed from 2002-2015, and I will (have to) go back to C# with the next generation of our server backend.
But private development... all machines are MS-free except the OS itself. I do only Java at home for my Apps.
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Even the share of Windows Phone is less than 3% among our users we forced to make the mobile part of our application to run there as well...
The first version was made with Cordova, and we moved on to Xamarin later - both made the adventure easier a lot...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I don't do programming for money or for a company, at the moment.
I build applications if I need them and then I publish them for public hoping that they'd like the software that I have made. Windows Phone is not one of the devices that I own, although there is one device currently available at home but I don't tinker with stuff that I don't own. Since I don't use it, I don't consider it to be one of the framework to target when building the source code.
If... we are talking about Windows' Universal application platform, then yes, I have been programming a few software applications, because I needed them and then I published them too. Same goes to Android, because I own the device that I can use the application software on.
Since, I don't own a Windows Phone, I am not interested in developing for Windows Phone. I am not interested in money itself, but the relief that the application may bring for myself. But, if I someday get a Windows Phone, you will get to see my Windows Phone skills, too. 
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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Yeah, one of our customers requested an app for their product.
Funny thing, they wanted iOS and Android, but when we delivered it appeared that about 90% of their customers used Windows Phone 
Good thing we used PhoneGap *cough* and it was easy *cough* to build for the Windows Platform as well.
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Sander Rossel wrote: it appeared that about 90% of their customers used Windows Phone
I am surprised to know this. 
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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So were we
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Be fair - it was just one guy with 18 of the damn things, wasn't it? 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Actually it was a big client with some 1000 WP users 
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Poor sods. I guess one person there liked 'em, and he was in charge of procurement... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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What's wrong with Windows Phone?
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Windows 8, Windows 8.1, Windows 10, ...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Have you used Windows Phone?
I accidentally made my mom get one, hardware was better than the even worse Android model she was considering.
Oh. My. Word.
Recent and Contacts just scrolls... and scrolls.... and scrolls.... and scrolls... between the same 2 pages. You can't edit a contact IN the Contacts list, you phone the contact and then go to the Recent Calls and there you can edit the contact. The app updates broke so often, it was hit and miss whether she'd have WhatApp for 2 days in a row. 
When it lost signal, the signal stayed lost until you restarted the phone - truly a Windows product 
I'm waiting for her to get a new phone now so I can ... erm... experiment with the durability of that one 
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Which phone?
I had problems with my first phone but it was the phone that was bad. I don't recall the scrolling problems(you can tap a letter and choose, unless you have 100 contacts starting with the same letter :P). I don't recall having to go to recent calls in order to edit contacts, you click a contact and on the right lower side there are these three dots, where you have an icon of a pen and edit is written under it. Apps were bad in the beginning, I agree and updates did brake sometimes, but that has improved. Losing and regaining signal worked fine for me. I don't know - it's not a perfect OS, far from it, there are problems. But I seem to be very lucky regarding windows in general. I used all from 7 till 10 and had no problems, on the PC or phone, that weren't of my own design. In saying that, I do hate the control panel app, that's a really bad one. On phones it's ok, on PC it's just bad and crashes constantly.
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I'm using Lumia 920 for three years, never had an issue. I'm a terrible phone user, I forgot it on my back pack, never used a cover for case and screen, dropped several times, and it still works. No lock, no performance issue. I'm so surprised about it. Yeah, market is not big as Apple and Android which is a bad thing. And updates are very rare.
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Actually I once had a WP and I really liked it.
MUCH better than Android and, god forbid, iPhone!
The only thing missing was the apps
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Same here. Never had a better experience. No lockdowns, performance degrades very little if any with time.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson
Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Agreed, both my wife and I have Nokia 640XL models, mine with Win 10, hers still with 8.1.
Both devices are very stable, no lockups, good performance and get this, even with heavy use, the battery lasts more than one day!
Sincerely,
-Mark
mamiller@rhsnet.org
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